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Post by MrToolJunkie on Oct 30, 2016 0:37:39 GMT -5
Personally, I've no interest in parallel guides in the style of festool's or similar products I used to really want them, but I just use a rule-stop to align the guide perfectly for multiple cuts. Works very well.
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Post by skinee on Oct 30, 2016 6:09:59 GMT -5
welcome to the red zone Hans,i would absolutely welcome and certainly buy a 90 degree guide for the rails,the advantage of a quick on/off accurate guide is obvious,as I mentioned over on the FOG forum,the pull catch would have to engage on the underside of the rail but this should be no problem and would allow room for a handle on top if desired, similar to the EZsmart 90 degree guide,you would likely be selling more to UK/Europe market initially as the rails are more common here(UK) than in US/Canada but with major players like tool nut now selling mafell and the much better connecting system of these rails over the festool/Makita first generation rails, the north American market can only grow,best wishes for this project,Adrian
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Post by mcnallyfamily on Oct 30, 2016 11:24:41 GMT -5
Personally, I've no interest in parallel guides in the style of festool's or similar products I used to really want them, but I just use a rule-stop to align the guide perfectly for multiple cuts. Works very well. I learned a valuable lesson about buying accessories before you buy the primary reason for the accessory (did I say that right), when I purchased both the Festool Parallel Guide Set, and the Woodpecker OneTIME TOOL - Track Square, before I made a decision to invest in the Mafell guide rails, after purchasing the P1cc. Of course, the fact Mafell has a superior guide rail system (something I learned later), also played into my ultimate decisions, but at least I waited until I purchased the tool before I purchased the appropriate guide rails. I also feel I am now set up for my next saw purchase from Mafell. I'm also committed to purchase the new ( One Time Tool re-release) Woodpecker 18"and 26" Metric Square Set come March 2017, so I doubt I would consider another 90 degree device above and beyond the Angle fence F-WA I also already own. I might go the same route with the rule-stop, should I find myself needing identical repetitive cuts in the future.
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Oct 30, 2016 11:50:15 GMT -5
Hi Hans, great to see that you have an interest in the Mafell tracks!!
I have my feet firmly planted in both platforms (Mafell and Festool), so I already have the GRS-16 square and have found it to be VERY handy for making precisely square crosscuts. The Mafell angle unit is great, but I really appreciate how easily the GRS-16 attaches to the Festool tracks and would like to see something similar for the Mafell eco system.
Some accommodation for repeatable crosscuts would be awesome for cabinet making, and would negate the need for a larger setup like Erika+Crosscut sled or MFT/3.
I will add a vote for parallel guides. Not necessary for most site work, but very handy for working in the shop when I want to batch out a lot of parts.
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Oct 30, 2016 17:02:44 GMT -5
I have some interest in the cross cut guide. Since I own an Ericka and a MFT it's not a priority to me.
Would love parallel guides for the Mafell rails.
John
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Post by toomanytoys on Oct 30, 2016 17:16:26 GMT -5
During the next week I'll try to get in an adaption of my EZSmart parallel guides. I've been wanting to do that, but time and need hasent been there, nor the desire to fill up the area around my router table with aluminum chips. Those guides are covered by a patent, everything ever mentioned by that products enthusiasts gets patented, so a like product may not be doable.
However, I think secondarily I can lay out a like product that any good woodworker could make at home. And not being a sold item, there's no patent infringement.
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Nov 20, 2016 12:14:10 GMT -5
Ok, so I had to prep a panel for a project the other day which gave me the opportunity to test the squareness of the Mafell/Bosch Angle Fence. The tasks was to take a 4x8 sheet of 1/2" MDO, cut in half, glue the two halves together (yielding a 1" thick panel), then cut that panel down to ~38"x41".
Once I have cut the sheet to 4x4 panels and glued them, I used the Angle Fence to go around the panel truing up the edges. I cut one edge, rotated the panel 90 degrees, indexed off the previously cut edge, then cut the next edge, rotated 90 degrees, and so on. Going around the panel this way (indexing of the previous cut) will exaggerate any inaccuracies. Having performed this task, when I got back to the first edge I found the angle fence was off by ~0.5" over 46". This tells me the Angle Fence is off by ~1/8" over 48". For most dimensioning I would say this is "ok", but I think I would be somewhat disappointed if I were using it to build cabinetry full time.
Again, I think the Angle Fence is VERY handy, particularly for angle cuts and reasonably square cuts in moderate to rough carpentry.
Ultimately, my point here is that I think there is a place for TSO to produce a GRS-16 style square for the Mafell tracks that would offer a perfect right angle.
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Post by GhostFist on Nov 20, 2016 14:54:50 GMT -5
I think the problem with 100% accuracy on the angle fence has to do with leverage based on the length of the attached rail. The longer the attached rail, the more difficulty the angle fence will have in maintaining it's set angle, be it square or what have you.
Question, in your test did you clamp the rail and fence to the workpiece?
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Nov 20, 2016 21:46:02 GMT -5
I think the problem with 100% accuracy on the angle fence has to do with leverage based on the length of the attached rail. The longer the attached rail, the more difficulty the angle fence will have in maintaining it's set angle, be it square or what have you. Question, in your test did you clamp the rail and fence to the workpiece? I simply pressed the fence up against the edge of the panel and relied on the rubber strips on the underside of the track for grip. I agree that the accuracy is absolutely contingent on how careful and precise the user is, I suppose the difference is between a tool that is otherwise absolutely accurate, versus a tool that is very close to accurate......
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Post by toomanytoys on Nov 21, 2016 8:18:09 GMT -5
Tom,
I'm reaching for relevance. In your long ago experience did you ever try the same with the EZ Square, especially the original one? I'm trying to understand the error in context to what GhostFist mentioned. I too tend to clamp depending accuracy required, just in case.
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Post by toomanytoys on Nov 21, 2016 8:22:59 GMT -5
Double post.
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Post by hans on Nov 21, 2016 10:01:14 GMT -5
thank you all for responding to my original inquiry and the subsequent exchanges between you all. Question: what is the "Angle Fence" ? is it a MAFELL accessory - or? what does it look like? This week I'll take a close look at he MAFELL Track sample TIMBERWOLF was kind enough to send me.
My "excuse" for not getting back sooner to this forum: We are in the midst of production launch of our new MTR-18 Multifunction Triangle System - with an 18 inch Triangle as the heart of the system and variety of accessories to expand its utility. Hans hans@tsoproducts.com
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Nov 21, 2016 10:51:12 GMT -5
thank you all for responding to my original inquiry and the subsequent exchanges between you all. Question: what is the "Angle Fence" ? is it a MAFELL accessory - or? what does it look like? This week I'll take a close look at he MAFELL Track sample TIMBERWOLF was kind enough to send me. My "excuse" for not getting back sooner to this forum: We are in the midst of production launch of our new MTR-18 Multifunction Triangle System - with an 18 inch Triangle as the heart of the system and variety of accessories to expand its utility. Hans hans@tsoproducts.com It is a small section of F rail with a miter scale and arm that moves to the different degrees. There is a small 90 degree detent as well and the entire thing attaches to longer guide rails for angled cuts or square cuts. It is difficult to get exactly square each and every time as Tom mentions.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Nov 21, 2016 10:57:10 GMT -5
I cannot seem to upload a pic of the fence - if you go to Timberwolf Tools' website you can see a picture on the "catalog Sheet" for the MT55 track saw. Toolnut might also have it listed on its site.
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Post by hans on Nov 21, 2016 11:20:50 GMT -5
I just tried to find the Angle Fence pictured on the Timberwolf website - no such luck. You can order it but no picture. I'll get in touch with them directly - thanks Hans
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