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Post by bengt on Apr 5, 2016 20:38:55 GMT -5
for $675 in uk one gets the p1cc with the 800 guide rail and tilting base plus a 3 year warranty. Here in usa we get $765 1 year warranty no tilting base and guide rail. Please stop this unfair pricing and sell to more retailers besides timberwolf. Come on mafell lets be fair !
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Post by GhostFist on Apr 5, 2016 21:43:02 GMT -5
I had an interesting discussion with a local tool distributor. Essentially it is not fiscally reasonable for a manufacturer such as mafell to sell their products mainstream in North America. They do not have the resources to outfit nation wide distribution. Major retailers such as home Depot definite product volume sales for associated manufacturers and as a result dictate what tools are produced at what price point. this is probably one of the main reasons once trusted brands have gone to pot.
As far as north American pricing goes for mafell, I'm unclear as to which party determines this.
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Post by aas on Apr 6, 2016 1:10:45 GMT -5
It works both ways - plenty of tools and other items I see for sale in US that are so much cheaper than Europe.
You have a point about the warranty though, should be 3 years everywhere.
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Post by bengt on Apr 6, 2016 5:03:04 GMT -5
There's a quite a bit of space between one retailer an retailing at Home Depot. It looks from where I am standing as price gouging. Just saying.
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Post by holmz on Apr 6, 2016 5:12:13 GMT -5
With a small turn over, their costs do not spread out well or far. They need a larger customer base or lower costs. They cannot build a large customer base with over priced stock.
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Post by bb on Apr 6, 2016 8:21:20 GMT -5
I've had my KSS400 for about a year and I have been happy with the saw. However, the more I think about it, the more I feel I wouldn't do it again. I just don't feel good about the price gouging happening here in the US. It's not just the absurd price, add to it one third the warranty, no UL or CSA approval, and we don't know for sure if these tool can be serviced in the years to come. There are too many strikes against Mafell/Timberwolf for me to consider a purchase to be a wise investment. Unless things change, the KSS400 will be my first and only Mafell purchase. I know that sounds harsh, but like all of us, I work hard for my money, and I want to feel good about who I give it to.
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Post by GhostFist on Apr 6, 2016 13:44:06 GMT -5
They're fair criticisms and definitely points to consider if buying in North America.
I don't want to accuse tw of price gouging as I don't know if that is the case or not.
As far as UL / CSA, if this certification is a concern it can be privately certified, I've even had a local tool dealership offer to pay half the cost for any tools I certify as it makes it easier for them to nationally certify. That being said, it is another cost on top of already pricey tools. For me I'm confident in the longevity and build quality of the tools I have purchased. I don't want to have to send a tool in for warranty, it's nice to have that security but it's a PITA when you have to. Up here in Canada, even festool's much touted service is, to be honest, crap. Everything still has to be sent to the states which complicates the turn around time for a tool I may depend on.
This is not to downplay these concerns, as they were issues that I had to weigh myself and have cautioned others about this as well.
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Post by holmz on Apr 6, 2016 15:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by Eoj on Apr 6, 2016 19:01:00 GMT -5
We have talked of this before....... link Cost money to import small batch tools for the USA market , Building to store tools ,somebody to take orders and talk on the phone to customers......overhead and profit as a business . Makes sense to me . A little research on the Mafell site shows a online registration portal for the three year warranty...... link . Have registered all my power tools and have gotten a e-mail confirmation . Have a few Festool power tools that have almost doubled in price since 2002 . These German power tool companies are not going to drop prices.......
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Post by erik on Apr 6, 2016 19:34:00 GMT -5
No way to accurately estimate operating expenses of TW but I do remember checking the price of the 120v PC11 4-5 years ago and it was around $618, which I though was a lot for a jigsaw. I don't remember the price raising until this site began generating traffic 3 years ago. Then the price began trending up at a rate around 7.5% each year after that...not sure that rate of increase was shared across EU markets and since US currency grew in strength relative to the Euro, one would expect the price to drop similar to Felder/Hammer prices.
I never bothered to check 220v prices and to my knowledge, Felder group does not issue 120v equipment, so voltage may be a contributing factor for the price hike but I wonder how much demand was induced by the supply of information on this site.
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Post by GhostFist on Apr 6, 2016 22:10:05 GMT -5
I seriously doubt we're responsible for that significant amount of increase. Distribution just changed hands to tw just before this site went live. We also have a broad range of international members and a just a small pool of regular contributors. I bet you the fog moves more mafell than we do. It's how's I found out about mafell
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Post by aas on Apr 7, 2016 7:00:53 GMT -5
I bet you the fog moves more mafell than we do. It's how's I found out about mafell That made me laugh!.. me too... thanks to the FOG, I'm busy selling my Festool and replacing it with Mafell! :-)
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Apr 7, 2016 8:02:01 GMT -5
Not so sure you give this site enough credit. The FOG reminded me that Mafell makes more than just timber framing tools. The MUF convinced me to buy a P1 cc, KSS 300, Erika 70, DD40, and a soon to be ordered MT55 to replace my TS55.
John
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Post by bb on Apr 7, 2016 8:04:17 GMT -5
We have talked of this before....... link Cost money to import small batch tools for the USA market , Building to store tools ,somebody to take orders and talk on the phone to customers......overhead and profit as a business . Makes sense to me . I'm sure there is a healthy profit on Mafel tools sold in Europe. I just can't see there being any justifiable reason for there to be a considerable price difference for N. America. This is especially true when you look at the strength of the US dollar as erik mentioned. I don't know the details about the online registration for the three year warranty. I'd guess this is for the European market and not N. America. The e-mail confirmation is likely an automated response. I'm voting with my wallet with Festool as well.
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Post by bb on Apr 7, 2016 8:09:33 GMT -5
No way to accurately estimate operating expenses of TW but I do remember checking the price of the 120v PC11 4-5 years ago and it was around $618, which I though was a lot for a jigsaw. I don't remember the price raising until this site began generating traffic 3 years ago. Then the price began trending up at a rate around 7.5% each year after that...not sure that rate of increase was shared across EU markets and since US currency grew in strength relative to the Euro, one would expect the price to drop similar to Felder/Hammer prices. I never bothered to check 220v prices and to my knowledge, Felder group does not issue 120v equipment, so voltage may be a contributing factor for the price hike but I wonder how much demand was induced by the supply of information on this site. And I though Festool was getting crazy with an average of about 3% a year.
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