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Post by rizzoa13 on Mar 4, 2016 17:36:43 GMT -5
I don't want to step on any toes but there's a pretty heated thread going on the FOG regarding kapex motor failures. Mine just kicked the bucket also.
Not lobbying for votes or anything just check it out and respond if you feel so inclined. Might make a difference in how you view the company too so it's a good read.
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Post by GhostFist on Mar 4, 2016 18:08:31 GMT -5
I was reading it and participated in the beginning. I don't own and don't want a kapex. It's too bad, there's some nice features on it.
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Post by charley1968 on Mar 4, 2016 19:17:49 GMT -5
I do like the Festool products i have. That said: I wouldn't buy a chop-saw for that kind of money, period. I dunno how big the problem is, because FT does not release its sales volume on the Kapex so i dunno if its a 'real' problem or something hyped up on the internet/FOG.
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Post by jimbouk on Mar 5, 2016 1:35:27 GMT -5
For sure it's a real issue. I have a kapex and have used it solidly for about 2 years. No issues (yet, touch wood!) Great saw. Only thing I don't like is that it has a tendency to ping offcuts about if you raise the blade while it's still moving. It's due to the pivot action on it. I know it's easy to say clamp everything or wait for the blade to stop but try getting other guys on site to do that when they are pushed for time.
Anyway. I would no way buy one now given what's going on with them. I know several guys who have had the same issue. Normally on 110v ones.
I'm just hoping mine keeps going!
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Post by jimbouk on Mar 5, 2016 1:48:38 GMT -5
Forgot to add. I have festool stuff. Some of it great like the bdc, pdc, dhc, dhl, midi, love using them all the time. Domino is great but sold mine as wasn't using it much and there were better alternatives for what I needed. Would probably re buy if I was doing more joinery. Csx is on its way too. Just not getting used and better alternatives available.
Carvex I sold as it wasn't very good.
The conturo is excellent. One day I will buy one. I have used one a lot and it's been great. Also they now do the different coloured glues.
I'm not as much a fan of festool anymore like I was when I first found them. I thought they were on a different level in terms of quality and usability of their system but think they are slipping into mass market issues.
Sorry not a rant just how I see it at them moment.
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Post by charley1968 on Mar 5, 2016 2:14:37 GMT -5
A valid opinion, that. It's just that there isn't very much useful information on the Kapex-issue. The example you gave about off-cuts going ballistic: sorry, to me,that's an user error. Kapexes going up in smoke: which voltages were used on what machines? Are there spikes of deliverance from the network? Are the kapexes used in conjunction with Ft- vacs? All i read is about a plethora of problems and the silence from the producer isn't helping a tuppenny damn. So, as an end-user: buy it? No. Reputation's too bad. Sell it? It might recoup a big part of the original investment, cuz the price for the used tool is almost as high as for the new tool. Either way : sales for the K. will decline. And that's what gonna make Ft reply in some way..
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Post by jimbouk on Mar 5, 2016 6:58:33 GMT -5
I totally agree about the offcuts. User error. However it doesn't happen as much on other saws.
None of the electrical things you mentioned should matter. Competitors products last much longer and are able to cope with like conditions.
Personally I will keep mine till it dies as I like it. Can't be bothered to sell it. I doubt if ft will do anything about it. There's not much upside for them in doing so. Much better for them to seek to expand their user base as they are doing and become even more mass market.
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Post by rizzoa13 on Mar 5, 2016 7:29:19 GMT -5
Im most likely going to send mine it to be repaired and then sell it on the FOG to one of the sheep for what I paid for it a few years ago.
Since getting the Erika the only real thing i use it for now is casing, baseboard and crown moulding so I started looking at the big metabo last night and I'm very interested.
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Post by jozsefkozma on Mar 5, 2016 15:49:58 GMT -5
It is sad what happend to some of those saws I hope festool makes good for you and others On the same subject there is noting that compares to it With its weight , accuracy ,dc, quick set up and clean cuts Festool is above the others I am also not aware of a manufacturer who maintains a forum The service is above what other manufacturers provide The price is high but so were my 10" Hitachis in the late nineties which had it issues but we're above all
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Post by GhostFist on Mar 5, 2016 16:38:16 GMT -5
Bosch and others have their own official forums
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Post by rizzoa13 on Mar 5, 2016 17:35:56 GMT -5
There's no debate really that the Kapex is the best mobile saw you can buy. It's also unrealistically expensive and then add in replacing the motor every few years it becomes 3 times more expensive than anything else you can buy also.
I'm gonna try my luck with the biggest metabo scms. Not many reviews but it looks great.a
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Post by jozsefkozma on Mar 5, 2016 22:01:41 GMT -5
As I said , I hope they will do something that will make you satisfied I came to this forum to get info on certain products that are discussed here. Which I always did and am thankful for it I am always looking for depandable quality tools to improove quality and profit I am a big fan of the Erika and looking into purchasing but in my case It would have to be a 110 V unit But the Erika would not replace my sliding miter saw . The kss and hkc took some away from the sliders but not replaced it Both saws have their places I don't by tools just to have them ,my finances don't let me do that They have to produce quality and be depandable I respect everyone's tool choices , and think everyone buys the best for them self The thread was how I view the company Festool produces quality tools which does not mean they are the best in everything and if someone buys Kapex is not necessary sheep
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Post by rizzoa13 on Mar 6, 2016 6:05:21 GMT -5
Don't take it the wrong way. This forum for me is a place to come and discuss things without bias. The FOG is not that place, it's a big pow wow for festool aficionados to pat themselves on the back.
When I said I could sell my repaired kapex on the FOG im being serious. I'll make a listing and be upfront about the saw just getting a new motor and itll still sell. Then there'll be a new thread started about "I finally got my kapex!". That's my definition of a sheep, someone who will blindly follow the crowd even when obvious evidence steers them Away from something. Sorry if that offends you but remember those are just my views not those of everyone here. And im entitled to my own views thankfully.
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Post by jozsefkozma on Mar 6, 2016 9:06:25 GMT -5
That you show your displeasure is understandable and informative I hope you will keep informing us what the manufacturers response was But you never know why people by used tools I don't think I bought 5 used tools in my 39 years in the trade but there was always a reason why I did it
There are manufacturers I like to stay away from Every manufacturer has its followers and all have different reason for loving their tools
I am not company specific I love good tools that produce profit ,make my job easier , readily available and serviceable
On a for me major purchase the only thing is holding me back is how will it be serviced when sales info is not completely forthcoming
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Post by holmz on Mar 6, 2016 9:23:41 GMT -5
I think Rizzo is referring to the general pervasive mood there that "Only Festool is good", and "All Festool is good". Sort of a "Go green or go home" attitude..
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