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Post by wrightwoodwork on Feb 28, 2014 1:30:32 GMT -5
If the documentation came with the rail it will be referring to saws like the ksp85 with 2 narrow slots
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 1, 2014 23:51:14 GMT -5
Can you get these attachments for the guide rail? Look at 4:30 of the PSS video:
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 1, 2014 23:53:22 GMT -5
And here is the Mafell part number -- would these work on the F rails, does anyone know?
Cross fence 1250 mm (2 pieces required) 203353
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 2, 2014 4:12:03 GMT -5
I have wondered the same. Last week I was looking at the bottom of the rails and was trying to work out a way in my head so something could clip into the outside groove. I think it would need the outside edge of the bottom of the rail slightly milled down do something could slip under and lock into the groove anywhere and doesn't lift the outside of the rail.
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Post by jalvis on Mar 4, 2014 11:01:14 GMT -5
I don't think that would work.
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Mar 8, 2014 21:13:24 GMT -5
Working on some blocks to interface with the F-tracks, hope to have pics up in the next week!
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Post by ths61 on Mar 8, 2014 21:37:59 GMT -5
Have my first parallel guides are up and running. Using Kreg T-bolts and adapters for the Seneca parallel guides. Have to get a couple more knobs and some shorter bolts (or cut current bolts) to clean it up. The newer Seneca parallel guides allow cuts narrower than the rails. Also emailed Seneca. By customer demand, they are working on versions of their parallel guides for other track saw rails. Here are some pictures. The 1st and 2nd pictures show the Jig butted up against the stock (note the 2 long black rails under the parallel T-Tracks). The 3rd picture shows the underside attachment of the L-brackets to the Mafell rail using Kreg T-bolts. Since the Mafell rails are narrow and do not allow for top attachments like the Festool rails, I used a 3rd Incra track to provide this top attachment. The 3rd Incra track adds some rigidity to the Mafell rail and doubles as a handle. I used T-brackets to attach the three Incra T-Track Plus rails together. The 2 parallel T-Tracks slide the length of the 3rd T-Track. The 2 parallel T-Tracks lay on top of the stock (versus on the sides like the Festool rails), thus taking the stress off of the Mafell track. The L-brackets are square to the Mafell track and keep the 3rd Incra track parallel to the Mafell rail. The long black bottom extensions in the 3rd picture allow for cuts narrower than the Mafell track. They can slide under the Mafell track to the red zero-clearance strip for narrow cuts. They can be easily removed to increase the capacity of the parallel cuts without having to use longer Incra tracks. I do not like the 16" ruler segments on the Incra track and will not use them. I will use a rule and rule-stop to set the parallel guide stops. Parts are on order to allow cutting stock wider than 4'. Comments, critiques welcome.
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Post by 7 on Mar 8, 2014 23:45:58 GMT -5
Nice work. I seem to only think about these parallel guides when I have a production type job coming up but really value these ideas. They look really good.
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Post by ths61 on Mar 8, 2014 23:58:27 GMT -5
Nice work. I seem to only think about these parallel guides when I have a production type job coming up but really value these ideas. They look really good. I have a project coming up that requires @ 120 repetitive parallel cuts. If it works, there will be more. I prefer to measure twice, once .
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Post by 7 on Mar 9, 2014 0:08:11 GMT -5
Approximately how long would it take you to change the measurement with this system?
Do you know about how much $ you have spent on getting those guides together?
I like the measure twice, once. Measure twice cut once for every cut doesn't pay very well. Neither does measure once cut once for each cut.
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Post by ths61 on Mar 9, 2014 0:33:50 GMT -5
Approximately how long would it take you to change the measurement with this system? Do you know about how much $ you have spent on getting those guides together? I like the measure twice, once. Measure twice cut once for every cut doesn't pay very well. Neither does measure once cut once for each cut. Changing the measurement is just adjusting the 2 round black knobs (not the 3 sided knobs). Set the rule stop on the ruler and apply it to both rails. Maybe 30 seconds total if your ruler is handy??? Since the parallel rails rest on top of the stock, one setting can accommodate multiple stock heights without adjustment. This is NOT true when the parallel rails are on the outside of the stock (like the Festool parallel guide). I bought the Seneca package for a Festool track and then found out about the Mafell MT55cc. The Seneca package was the most expensive part and can probably be substituted for other (DIY) parts (been thinking of making my own stops). The 3 Incra rails were (2 x $14 and 1 x $19). The Kreg Stop (5-pack) kit was @ $15 (use the T-bolts and thumb nuts, not the stops). The Incra bolt and knob package was @ $15. The L-brackets and T-brackets vary at your big-box store or free if you already have them (or make them out of flat stock) in the shop. This leaves the 2 parallel stops from the Seneca package. If I come up with an alternative for the 2 parallel stops, I may put the Seneca/Festool package up for sale since I decided not to go the Festool route. It would be a lot easier/cheaper if the Mafell rails were wider with room for a top mount.
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Post by ths61 on Mar 9, 2014 1:01:01 GMT -5
... I like the measure twice, once. Measure twice cut once for every cut doesn't pay very well. Neither does measure once cut once for each cut. I learned the measure twice, once in high school working at a jewelry store. I struck a deal with the jeweler to engrave 500 watches for a buck a watch in the 70's. He thought I would calibrate the engraving machine 3 times for each watch (e.g. 1,500 calibrations) so he agreed on the fixed price. I figured I could calibrate the machine 3 times for 500 watches, took the chance and did the job in a fraction of the time the jeweler thought it would take. I intentionally only agreed to get the job done by delivery time, nothing about total time for completion. When he found out what I did and how long it took me, he thought he paid me too much . He got over it and that became our standing deal for the next few years.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 9, 2014 1:09:20 GMT -5
This is looking good. It would be great if Seneca designs some for Mafell rails...
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Post by ths61 on Mar 9, 2014 1:13:49 GMT -5
This is looking good. It would be great if Seneca designs some for Mafell rails... Seneca's product is nice and sturdy. They said Mafell is on their list, but they are releasing higher demand rails first. If more of us email Seneca, maybe the Mafell kit can get bumped up in their priority queue. Here is their email if anyone wants to make a Mafell request: info@senecawoodworking.com
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Post by 7 on Mar 9, 2014 1:25:19 GMT -5
Your right on about the rails being wider making it easier & cheaper to come up with alternatives. That is what is making this process tricky, the rails are both thin and narrow with the saw needing to ride over the entire surface.
I am pleasantly surprised by the prices you listed for the seneca stuff. I was figuring in would cost more than it does. Thanks for all the interesting info.
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