Post by thedude306 on Dec 16, 2015 18:00:16 GMT -5
I have the 500 domino and I am VERY happy with it for the most part.
I also use the kreg K5 jig and I like it as well.
I wish I had the DD40 and the 700.
I haven't used my biscuit joiner since getting my domino.
I don't think there is a right answer to your question.
Is shelf pin placement an issue? The DD40 does that nicely as well. I think Jalvis had some photos of that on here somewhere.
For myself, and my work flow, I am using the domino for alignment and then securing with the kreg jig for cabinets/carcasses.
For alignment and strength when attaching boards, the 500 options for sizes has been good for me. I have stacked dominos a few times with success. I have used the 500 where the 700 would have been a better option, and I like the ergonomics of the 700 better (only used it in store once) but the size of the 500 is also nice. You can get the seneca bit adapter but I think that's a bit of a compromise as well...
I'm not sold on the festool attachments for the domino 500. I've had alignment issue with the extension (built for both the 500 and the 700, same piece) and was told recently (as in yesterday) by festool that they are not designed to be adjusted. I kind of felt like I was doing something wrong after talking to them on the phone. I just don't find it to be a well designed accessory.
I also experienced fence drift with the 500 if you are not careful. I have the seneca plate for 1/2" and 3/4" ply that solves that problem in those two mediums.
It sounds like I don't like the domino 500 and that's not the case. I don't think I would want to build things without it, now that I have. From cabinets, to mirror frames, to shelves and tables... It is a must have in my tool box.
I own the lamello zeta, the domino 500 and a dd40. My least favorite is the 500. That being said there's the odd thin that it's best for, such as joining things like balusters or members too small for the Dd4o. Dd4o is a better built machine, is easier to control and multi functioned when it comes to doing shelf pins. Plus dowels are cheap. The zeta is new to me butter you have some amazing joining options with it. If most of what you are doing is cabinetry I recommend either the lamello or dd40. Lamello is pricier, connectors are more expensive but this pays for itself with time saved and versatility. My domino may come up for sale in the new year.
I have both Dominos, DD40, Zeta P & Classic C2 biscuit joiner. I no longer use pocket screws as having the Porter Cable 555 pocket cutter turned me off to them forever. IMHO, the Domino excels at furniture construction where M&T joinery is primarily used and I use it every time when building furniture. I am a little off the 'mainstream view' as I prefer the Domino 500 over the 700 and don't view the 700 as the 'better' machine. In my furniture, I use the 500 about 95% of the time with the balance the 700.
The DD40 and the Lamello products tend to excel in cabinet construction. This has been consistent with my applications in building cabinetry. I have used both in furniture construction and they work fine but my mindset for furniture is biased toward the conventional M&T joinery. The DD40 gives you the ability to drill 32mm systems holes which is a big plus unless you have other methods to accomplish this task.
With respect to economy, if you purchase the Mafell dowels, they are more expensive than the Dominos (e.g. - a pack of 30 - 16x75mm dowels is over $45 [2 dowels needed @ $1.50 each for $3.00 per joint] plus the cost of the drills are $105 each). On the other hand, the largest domino is $54 for a pack of 70 - 14x140mm (77 cents per joint) with only one cutter in the $54 range necessary. The economics will vary depending on what size and length you use, but the Domino is not necessarily the most expensive from a consumables standpoint. The sources for dowels over 12mm diameter are few and far between but if you can find them for less, the economics will change. If you were using mostly 8mm dowels, the DD40 is more economical than 8mm dominos.
Since you mention building beds, that would be enough to drive me to the 700. That is the very reason I purchased it as I needed to do large and deep mortises. I don't care for the 700 in building cabinets as it is too bulky for my taste. My advice is: If most of your projects are furniture, go with one of the Dominos. If most of your projects are cabinets/shelves, go with the DD40.
I have both dominos and the Duo dowler. I can't make dowels easily but dominos are easy I make them out of scape wood leave it long cut to length per project. Everything said before me on this thread is right on. i make door beds stairways and all sorts of furniture and the domino 700 does the bulk of it. This 48"/96" door has 28 14mm dominos and this teak shelving unit I can't remember but it is a lot of 12mm dominos Have a great day rc
I have the 700 and it has been extremely useful. I bought it for larger joinery projects - beds, doors, gates etc. I also purchased an attachment to take the smaller 500 bits. Works reasonably well if not a bit awkward for the smallest sizes.
If most of your projects are furniture, go with one of the Dominos. If most of your projects are cabinets/shelves, go with the DD40.
Steve's whole post was well reasoned.
I have a 700 XL and I may end up selling it. Mostly because: 1) for doing sheet goods the DD40 with its castleated rail seem easier than using a holey rail and a router. 2) I have a Zeta P2 coming towards me.
I am also looking at the Lamello Invis and beard stroking as I have a task it would be well suited for.
As Steve mentioned... It all depends on what you are doing.
abdon: I stand corrected , the angle fence is only attaches with F -Tracks , what confused me was , that the Timberwolf site mentioned it will work with the NFU machine, yes it will work but only I guess when you use the Ftrack , with other tracks Like the KSS L.
Nov 28, 2020 22:52:01 GMT -5
glynnco: Did you order from GereedschapPro? I see them as in stock but I'm located in the US and am not sure if they ship here. I sent them an email asking about shipping but it was returned undeliverable...
Dec 10, 2020 7:37:40 GMT -5
jonathan: I've purchased a lot of stuff from our neighbours @ GereedschapPro.nl As far as I know they are one of the larger Mafell dealers in the EU. I can recommend them, they usually respond quickly.
Dec 11, 2020 13:58:36 GMT -5
NFU 50 Transportation?: Hi Guys, is there some Systainer for the NFU 50?
Dec 11, 2020 14:30:12 GMT -5
frezik24: Hello everyone
Dec 13, 2020 9:20:00 GMT -5
lasse: Thanks for the tip! I have own a mafell rail which is 160 cm and one that is 80 cm. Will it work just as well or will I need to buy rail that is 110 cm?
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