jimh
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Post by jimh on May 28, 2015 21:49:21 GMT -5
I made some bookcases today and used the template guide to do the shelf holes. The whole setup and execution is trivial.
The competing Festool LR 32 is way too complex with a lot of built in potential for screw ups especially if not used regularly. I bought the DD40 for shelf pin holes and as a replacement for my smaller Domino. I'm a ways from being able use it as quickly as the Domino, but as soon as I finish my current build I am going to dedicate some time to master it on some scraps.
I dont one know which is better, but the template guide puts it ahead of the Domino in my opinion.
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Post by lincoln on May 28, 2015 22:18:28 GMT -5
Good to know, I have it on its way to me at the moment. Jim, do you have the 800mm or 1600mm?
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Post by jm on May 28, 2015 23:44:41 GMT -5
Love the concept of the template guide.
I really can't believe people pay $800+ for the Festool LR32 setup, that's even w/o the router.
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Post by lincoln on May 29, 2015 0:34:35 GMT -5
Just looked up the price - couldn't believe it would be that much. For the 'set' plus the holey rail - AU$900. Wow. The 1010 router is AU$820. It's the sort of thing that would really need to be left permanently set up, and you would have to know all the ins & outs of the system.
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Post by holmz on May 29, 2015 4:08:14 GMT -5
Just looked up the price - couldn't believe it would be that much. For the 'set' plus the holey rail - AU$900. Wow. The 1010 router is AU$820. It's the sort of thing that would really need to be left permanently set up, and you would have to know all the ins & outs of the system. In the local dialect... "Holey-eL" ! Brother I ordered the Bosch FSN 32 from Dictum, so I'll let you know how it goes in ~a month, unless the Mrs and I are on holidays then... If we do it will likely be a few months. www.dictum.com/en/tools/power-tools/routing/704884/bosch-fsn-ofa-32-kit-800115 and 115 Euro shipping with some other stuff, so <300 Au, and you could flog the clamps you ordered as these include a set of clamps as well. I got their last LO50, three bushings, and the FSN 32 Kit 800 and shipping for ~950 AU. I have nothing else major that I will need to buy for a while now...
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Post by jalvis on May 29, 2015 10:02:28 GMT -5
The Template system really opens the doors to what you can make. Its an amazing system.
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jimh
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Post by jimh on May 29, 2015 13:21:36 GMT -5
Just looked up the price - couldn't believe it would be that much. For the 'set' plus the holey rail - AU$900. Wow. The 1010 router is AU$820. It's the sort of thing that would really need to be left permanently set up, and you would have to know all the ins & outs of the system. In the local dialect... "Holey-eL" ! Brother I ordered the Bosch FSN 32 from Dictum, so I'll let you know how it goes in ~a month, unless the Mrs and I are on holidays then... If we do it will likely be a few months. www.dictum.com/en/tools/power-tools/routing/704884/bosch-fsn-ofa-32-kit-800115 and 115 Euro shipping with some other stuff, so <300 Au, and you could flog the clamps you ordered as these include a set of clamps as well. I got their last LO50, three bushings, and the FSN 32 Kit 800 and shipping for ~950 AU. I have nothing else major that I will need to buy for a while now... The Bosch is nice if you have a router that fits or can make yours fit and it is what the LR 32 system should cost. The advantage of the DD40 template guide is that it helps when joining with the DD40. You can put dowels where ever you want to and know they are going to line up. You also can go a little more quickly that on the Bosch or LR32 and you don't have to worry about alignment on the opposing column of pin holes.
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jimh
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Post by jimh on May 29, 2015 13:23:29 GMT -5
Love the concept of the template guide. I really can't believe people pay $800+ for the Festool LR32 setup, that's even w/o the router. I sold my used system with two rails for close to that. I have never been happier to see a tool/accessory go. I burned up more than board drilling shelf holes with it and I got to the point where I used a scrap every time I used it so that I would have 1 opportunity to get the rotate and flip procedure correct.
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Post by jimh on May 29, 2015 13:24:45 GMT -5
Good to know, I have it on its way to me at the moment. Jim, do you have the 800mm or 1600mm? Started with the 800mm and my 1600mm arrives this afternoon from Germany via Tobias at Bort & Herkert GmbH.
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Post by Knight Woodworks on May 29, 2015 20:40:52 GMT -5
jimh,
Totally agree with your assessment of the LR32. I've had one for many years and never liked it, too fiddly by far. True story-In a fit of rage I actually threw mine in the trash. I'd had it for a few months, thought I had it dialed until I ruined two expensive base cabs. After I came to my senses I retrieved it, after all it wasn't the tools fault I'm incompetent.
Glad you're enjoying your DD40 and template.
John
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Post by jimh on Jun 1, 2015 14:14:13 GMT -5
I used the 800 yesterday to drill some shelf holes. This particular portion of the built-in is just outside of the range of 800, so I used the 1600 by itself and while it worked I am not enamored with the special clamp. I thought I had it tight enough, but it slipped while I was setting up to do the opposing holes ended. This really put me in a bind because there is no easy way to get it back to where it was. I did some finagling with the rail and the DD40 to try and position it in such a way that it matched the holes I had already drilled on the other side. I was close, but not successful. The knob is tougher to tighten than it should be and wanted to "walk" on me.
The 1600mm will work for most of what I do so I am going to order the parts below the template to convert the 1600mm to work like the 800mm version.
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Post by GhostFist on Jun 1, 2015 17:24:07 GMT -5
Good to know about slippage on the larger template. crap it messed up on you but hopefully others interested in this rail will take note.
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Post by jimh on Jun 2, 2015 20:43:44 GMT -5
For some cabinet work (and other sheet good builds) I pre-finish, but reserve final coat - paint or clear) for after install. When doing so, I always make an extra sheet to cover mishaps like this, so the setback only required a couple of cuts.
I'll post the results a building an 1600mm to work like an 800mm.
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Post by jalvis on Jun 4, 2015 11:27:09 GMT -5
If you want pin holes that go through a sheet you can always clamp a sacrificial piece underneath and drill through which I've done successfully before. Never had the template slip before but its always a possibility. I always liked the quick clamp and intend to get a longer rod for the 1600.
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Post by erik on Jun 8, 2015 20:08:02 GMT -5
Just finishing drilling some holes for a 50" tall pantry, used both rails and it worked out fairly well for a first attempt. You'll need a 2.5 mm allen driver to tighten the rail connector and zero stop on the clamp. Also, you'll need a 5mm driver for loosening and removing the threaded rod on the smaller template.
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