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Post by holmz on May 8, 2015 7:25:59 GMT -5
I am giving Tobias a try. Waiting for him to get back me on the bag and rail set. I'd order a DD40 but I don't know if they offer the 120volt version. I emailed Tobias last night saying the only German I knew was to order a beer with my thumb extended to indicate 1. He said,"That is the most important sentence to know". I just ordered the P1cc and some stuff to go with it tonight from him. Why not get the 110 to 220 converter from Timberwolf? Or make a "male US 220v drier plug ended" extension cord with an Eu female plug on the far end?
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Post by jalvis on May 8, 2015 10:18:31 GMT -5
So are the prices working about better after shipping?
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Post by jimh on May 8, 2015 19:34:02 GMT -5
I am giving Tobias a try. Waiting for him to get back me on the bag and rail set. I'd order a DD40 but I don't know if they offer the 120volt version. Yeah let us know about 120v. No go on 120v from Germany. Tobias said they cannot sell them, but they can sell the 230/240v tools which have universal motores (50 or 60Hz). This leads me to believe (or want to believe) that the 110v models sold in the UK is also universal (50 or 60Hz). Amazon UK* has several tools and they are inexpensive as is shipping ($30 or so). It just kills me that the stuff is so cheap in Europe and I may have to consider some of the 230/240volt tools as I work in shop most of the time. I sent an email to Mafell service to see if the 110v tools from the UK will work in the US. No response yet, but I am not really expecting one as they are probably on to why I am asking. As for Tobias I am looking at the rail kit that is only sold piece wise by Timberwolf at something north of $650. I can get it shipped to the US for $580, but only because shipping is $150 due to rail length. Without the rails shipping drops to about $50. It's not much of a savings, but Timberwolf also charges shipping and if you were to load up on accessories the savings are substantial as shipping is fixed. If I move forward I am going to order the 5mm, 6.1mm, and 8.1mm dowel bits, jigsaw angle base, Drilling Template for the DD40, a blade for the MT55cc, MT55cc position indicator and the Angle stop F-WA. The additional items will have make it worthwhile. I am waiting to here back if the F210 is shippable. I plan on selling most of my Festool rails as they will only be used with my routers and my TS75 which is hard to part with. I am not opposed to paying a fair price for tools and accessories, but Timberwolf is pushing the limits considering how the Euro has fallen. *The only vendor that will ship from the UK to the US is Amazon.
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Post by jacko on May 8, 2015 20:30:00 GMT -5
Yeah let us know about 120v. No go on 120v from Germany. Tobias said they cannot sell them, but they can sell the 230/240v tools which have universal motores (50 or 60Hz). This leads me to believe (or want to believe) that the 110v models sold in the UK is also universal (50 or 60Hz). Amazon UK* has several tools and they are inexpensive as is shipping ($30 or so). It just kills me that the stuff is so cheap in Europe and I may have to consider some of the 230/240volt tools as I work in shop most of the time. I sent an email to Mafell service to see if the 110v tools from the UK will work in the US. No response yet, but I am not really expecting one as they are probably on to why I am asking. As for Tobias I am looking at the rail kit that is only sold piece wise by Timberwolf at something north of $650. I can get it shipped to the US for $580, but only because shipping is $150 due to rail length. Without the rails shipping drops to about $50. It's not much of a savings, but Timberwolf also charges shipping and if you were to load up on accessories the savings are substantial as shipping is fixed. If I move forward I am going to order the 5mm, 6.1mm, and 8.1mm dowel bits, jigsaw angle base, Drilling Template for the DD40, a blade for the MT55cc, MT55cc position indicator and the Angle stop F-WA. The additional items will have make it worthwhile. I am waiting to here back if the F210 is shippable. I plan on selling most of my Festool rails as they will only be used with my routers and my TS75 which is hard to part with. I am not opposed to paying a fair price for tools and accessories, but Timberwolf is pushing the limits considering how the Euro has fallen. *The only vendor that will ship from the UK to the US is Amazon. Why not use Amazon then? I agree that Timberwolf's prices seem to be a bit high but, they seem to be marketing to a small specialty market that will pay the price. I want a track saw but I'm not willing to go the cheapest route or put up with Festool's rail connectors and splinter guide. I'm interested to see what you discover.
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Post by holmz on May 8, 2015 23:24:01 GMT -5
So are the prices working about better after shipping? In my case yes. The P1cc was $735 from Timberwolf and shipping would be ~40 = so about 1000 AUD, which then attracts another 20% of tax and duty with customs. So it ends up at ~950 $US From Germany... The P1cc + assortment #1 and assortment #2, and 5 splinter guards, and the tilting base, and a Mafell rail connector (to use on the Bosch rails), and 2 W1 blades, and the shipping... was... ~950 $Au So basically the tilting base, 2 assortments, rail connector, 6 clear splinter, parts and W1 for free.Plus it is 220v, so it works with my existing 220v CT-26, which was the main reason I was looking at the German sites to begin with. That and the reports about the 110v tools having speed wow-n-flutter. The only beard-stroking I have is if/when I go state-side I either need a 220v extension cord with an Aussy female end, or a 240v outlet in the wall of garage which is wired to US 220v. Or I suppose I could use a German 230v outlet wired to US 220v.
Just bought a couple of male Au plugs today to fit onto cords for Neutrix True-1 connectors, however they did not have flexible extension cord cable. I found some a while back on-line, so I will either order that or just break down and buy a long extension cord and cut the ends off. I'll probably order in the cable as I need to make some new cord for the stereo amps.
[opens new browser tab for cable]
Ok - thanks for waiting, I am back: mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/378/optimal-cord-length?page=1&scrollTo=8115
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Post by jalvis on May 9, 2015 10:37:35 GMT -5
Seems like a much better deal for those in Australia. Looks like a $1,000 being spent is about the thresh-hold for good savings.
Personally I would have no problem with the 220V versions since most of my work is in a shop. You can always get a converter for site work.
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Post by bengt on May 9, 2015 19:28:29 GMT -5
It would be nice to see mafell make an usa push and expand the dealers and get the prices in line with europe. I say this because I feel there is an opportunity now with the strong usa economy and a fall off in festool quality. Hey Mafell make a move and get your prices down a little expand your dealerships and match the festool warranty and bam your in like Flynn.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 9, 2015 19:43:12 GMT -5
Personally for a machine I am not sure it is worth importing - if there is an issue with it, like I had with my P1CC, I would be out of luck or have to pay expensive shipping back to Germany and wait even longer to get a return. Dealing wtih Timberwolf was a breeze - worth the $50 or $100 or so in "savings". Now, accessories are a different matter - no moving parts so should work out.
A word about the longer rails - TW used to get them in and ship them, but too many issues with damaged goods - the long rails are very difficult to ship in one piece and often are destroyed in transit. the 160m size is a good length with packaging and not damaged as much. Just something to consider. If you are ordering lots of stuff then it might be OK as you can get everything on a pallet. But one-off and I think you are taking a chance. With the rail connectors it is not a big deal to go shorter.
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Post by holmz on May 10, 2015 2:27:37 GMT -5
Personally for a machine I am not sure it is worth importing - if there is an issue with it, like I had with my P1CC, I would be out of luck or have to pay expensive shipping back to Germany and wait even longer to get a return. Dealing with Timberwolf was a breeze - ... ... ^Agree^ Being in Australia with no "Timber-Dingo" equivalent to Timberwolf, then I did not see any point in getting 110v and using a transformer to go to 220v. Plus with your experience with the P1cc I was not sure 110v was a good idea. Ergo... While I wanted to lean towards Timberwolf, it just made no sense from here when I thought about it.
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Post by jalvis on May 10, 2015 10:26:27 GMT -5
I agree that a good dealer is important. The only thing that has me thinking otherwise are the higher priced items like the Erika. Theres a $1,000 difference between here and across the pond and you have to pay shipping regardless.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 10, 2015 18:13:21 GMT -5
Yeah - $1K starts to make sense. 110v or 220v makes no difference to me either, especially with a converter.
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Post by kalas on May 10, 2015 21:49:15 GMT -5
Another thing I recently discovered is that I can log on to Amazon in other countries with my US account. Such as Amazon.de. They won't ship all they offer to the US, but the things they do ship, especially German tools, ends up being quite a bit cheaper. Such as Hazet, Proxxon, Kress ++. Some Festool accessories and systainers are able to be shipped as well. They aren't all much cheaper but if you add some together they can save you a few hundred. Shipping is incredibly fast too.
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Post by toomanytoys on May 18, 2015 18:37:04 GMT -5
Not sure which of the related threads (or rail section) I should post this in, but this was the motivational thread.
I have a 52" long cutting table that uses a lifting bridge for the track. So trying a combination of the rails I already had which required the connector there was too much stress on the connector for long term use. Just not going to work for me in this application.
On 5/14 I contacted Timberwolf about getting a Mafell 2100 rail, but they stated as has been noted in the forum before to use a combination of rails as they do not stock or import rails of that length due to shipping issues.
So I went on Amazon UK and found a UK supplier who had a Bosch 2100 rail that would ship to the USA. It arrived today, four days later, with rail wrapped in taped together cardboard and then in plastic without damage for a total price in US dollars of $213.73 with shipping. For a 2100 rail I think that's good and happy with the purchase.
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Post by lincoln on May 18, 2015 18:50:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm glad I'm able to get the Bosch rails locally - it made the decision to swap to Mafell much easier. I still bought Mafell accessories though - joiner, clamps etc. I also have the 2100 Bosch rail, but due to a stuff up at Bosch, was only charged for a 1600. Nothing 'dodgy', the retailer dropped the price because I had to wait so long for it to come in. Do you have any pics of your cutting table, toomanytoys?
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Post by toomanytoys on May 18, 2015 20:17:21 GMT -5
Its currently being utilized as a working table for an engine full of Powerstroke diesel engine parts. When I'm finished with my current project I'll pull it outside and take some shots of it. It's constructed out of 8020 aluminum extrusions mainly for ply carcass work, way overbuilt.
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