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Post by mbleach on Mar 3, 2015 9:15:02 GMT -5
After reading many forums and reviews I got the the impression that this was the ultimate multi purpose saw. Everyone who has one loves it. I thought that if I got this saw i would only need to take one saw to sight, no need to lug around a chop saw and a rail saw. I thought I was pretty smart.
I was therefore very surprised to find that out of the box it neither cut along the edge of the splinter guard ( nearly a mm out), making precision impossible and causing a fair amount of breakout. Nor did it cut square. This saw doesn't cut square! Now if it won't do that then its not really good for anything.
I can replace the splinter guard and recut it to my saw and fix that problem (for £20). But what can I do about the squareness? Is there some micro adjustment that i haven't seen? I'm considering putting tape around one of the stops, but this seems crazy for a £600 saw.
I am quite frankly disappointed with this saw. Did I get a dud, or is no one else prepared to admit that the saw they spent so much money on just aint that great?
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Post by GhostFist on Mar 3, 2015 11:44:23 GMT -5
We're not so prideful that we can't admit we've made a stupid purchase. Did you do the initial cut on the splinter guard? Or did you purchase a demo model. Is your saw still within warranty? Take it back to your dealer for exchange/tuning. I don't own the 400 but the smaller 300 and mine is dead nuts accurate.
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Post by thedude306 on Mar 3, 2015 11:53:11 GMT -5
Sorry to read of your troubles.
Just to clarify, are you saying that the splinter guard on the KSS track was already cut and 1mm shy? My splinter guard was cut by the saw on the first pass that I made. It was also perfectly square out of the box using the built in detent. I just went out to the shop to clarify this and I do have to use my thumb with some pressure to push the stop tight into the detent to get it perfect every time.
I was very concerned about the KSS and the MT55 being able to use the same track and splinter guard, I couldn't find reference to it, but I thought I asked if you can adj the bases to match, and I am sure you can. I didn't need to as they both touch the splinter guard at exactly the same place when on the FSN or Mafell rails.
I would contact Mafell if it's not meeting your expectations.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 3, 2015 12:11:43 GMT -5
It should deffenitley cut square as thedude has said the only thing is to make sure it is pushed in the indent. I did originally have a problem with the saw not cutting 90 on the beval. All it was the little grub screws needed adjust. Just out of curiosity how far out is it?
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Post by mick on Mar 3, 2015 12:23:38 GMT -5
Hi I could do a list of tools I bought and was not happy with but the kiss 400 is not one mine cuts dead on I was making a small key unit today for the site office just out of Mdf with two small doors cut the doors wit the Kss and they were spot on I would bring it
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Let's know how you get on
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 3, 2015 14:34:18 GMT -5
Here some pics of test results I have done  |
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Post by mick on Mar 3, 2015 14:43:27 GMT -5
Is the 4 one off square ?
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 3, 2015 15:51:18 GMT -5
Possibly. Not that I can tell you how much. I guess maybe less than 0.5mm over 400. I properly didn't have the adjustable stop set 100% or I hadn't placed the edge of the board correctly. That is the worst I'm ever off.
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Post by mick on Mar 3, 2015 15:55:39 GMT -5
Just looking at it in my phone hard to see taught it looked worse
Any time mine is off it is my flat
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 3, 2015 16:04:25 GMT -5
Yeah the human element is often the weakest link and can often be what causes the error
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Post by 7 on Mar 3, 2015 21:59:34 GMT -5
It would help us to know what material you are cutting and how you have verified that it is in fact the saw. I just checked a peice of OSB in my shop using a woodpeckers precision square and on the factory edge it is out of square by about 1/32" over about 8 inches. I'm not saying it's not the saw there is just a lot to consider. I'd be interested to know 1- What process you are using to identify that the saw is out of square? 2-As Wrightwoodwork asked: How far out is it? 3-what material are you cutting?
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Post by dob on Mar 5, 2015 15:23:39 GMT -5
Advices from internet are very dangerous for making decisions, ss per my experience, when the most expensive stuff is in question. Many tends to buy it with hope to get respect from other and actually defends their investment not a product.
So anyone have to triple think before accept an advice. Are you sure your protractor is good???
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Post by dob on Mar 5, 2015 15:34:00 GMT -5
1/32 over 8 in is 0.22 degree. IT IS WAY TO MUCH, not useful for furniture, especially for joints. It can go for construction only...
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Post by thedude306 on Mar 5, 2015 15:50:04 GMT -5
1/32 over 8 in is 0.22 degree. IT IS WAY TO MUCH, not useful for furniture, especially for joints. It can go for construction only... that was the factory edge of the OSB. Again, mine is PERFECT on a 24" square. I don't mean to be daft, but I suspect that precision greater then a 32nd might have more to do with the operator then the machine... On my saws, I can get 1/64 accuracy when needed, but it takes patience. And consistency. I get my brother to cut something and it could be ALL over the place on the same machinery. I agree with the the internet statemnet, lots of bad info. But also lots of great info. I don't think the MUF is big enough to try and impress anyone. And the cost of the tool is peanuts compared to the materials it cuts through. Even is it is more then the competition saws. |
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Post by GhostFist on Mar 5, 2015 18:11:34 GMT -5
Advices from internet are very dangerous for making decisions, ss per my experience, when the most expensive stuff is in question. Many tends to buy it with hope to get respect from other and actually defends their investment not a product.
So anyone have to triple think before accept an advice. Are you sure your protractor is good???
Is there a play in the rail? While this is a "Mafell" forum, I've tried to keep it from being a mafell fan boy club. It's part of the reason we keep separate from dealers and the manufacturer itself. I don't want to censor out negative feedback on the tools as who ever is reading this can weed through the good and the bad and make their own decisions. In regards to the saw in question, you can adjust and re tune this saw as you need. If ultra precision is needed you could always set the stops off a square. Just saying. The tools are expensive, and I only recommend buying them if you're gonna get your money's worth. I'm personally not in to building a fancy collection for the sake of it. |
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