R cash
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Post by R cash on Feb 19, 2015 21:03:59 GMT -5
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Post by jalvis on Feb 20, 2015 1:39:48 GMT -5
Really like the custom handmade look. Doesn't appear off the shelf at all. perfect.
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R cash
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Post by R cash on Feb 20, 2015 3:01:51 GMT -5
The reason it does not look off the shelf. Is because the door panels are solid curly maple and the random width walnut tongue an grove v paneling made in my shop. I think the grain match inset drawers have something to do with the custom look.
Anyway people in general don't appreciate this level of detail. Why pay for custom cabinets when Home Depot does "custom cabinets"
Rc
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Post by thedude306 on Feb 20, 2015 7:56:56 GMT -5
is it common for you to do two different style of cabinets for the uppers and lowers. I quite like the look.
VERY nice top!
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Feb 20, 2015 8:21:36 GMT -5
Mighty fine.
Saddly you're right, most people don't really know what "custom" is, let alone appreciate it.
John
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Post by jalvis on Feb 20, 2015 12:44:16 GMT -5
Mighty fine. Saddly you're right, most people don't really know what "custom" is, let alone appreciate it. John That is the most common problem I encounter. Most people can't recognize quality. Those who can recognize good quality are getting older and passing away. Those who hire for good work pay designers and simply buys someone else's good taste. Although there is a group of young individuals that recognize true custom quality but most are too poor. |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Feb 20, 2015 14:03:46 GMT -5
I have a theory a lot of people don't recognise quality is because they have never being shown or taught what quality is. Also a lot of people are only interested in sadly paying the cheapest price. When doing jobs for people a lot of people are only interested in how quick you can do the job.
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Post by thedude306 on Feb 20, 2015 14:16:33 GMT -5
It's regional and tightly related to the economic times. We are still riding a boom here. LOTS of oil and mineral money. What I see is that people want perfect. They don't want craftsmanship. Not saying you can't have both, but it seems the trend is for perfect grain, perfectly matched wood, no artistic lee way. They would rather pay $75K for a perfect manufactured kitchen then $75K for something with character and craftsmanship.
I think too we are a throw away society. New kitchen every ten years. New styles, new trends. Same goes for furniture. Very few people go for heirloom quality pieces any more.
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R cash
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Post by R cash on Feb 21, 2015 22:38:45 GMT -5
Dude306
I agree with about the throw away world we live today. But as far as cabinets I think its much worse than 10yrs for a kitchen.
I was talking with one of my hardware vendors he told me about a company cutting flat pack modular kitchens on ships at sea across the pacific along with granite tops. Big box stores "custom cabinets" made with melamine edge banded think there kitchens only should last 5 to 7 yrs. Not to surprising since kitchens have water from dishwashers ice makers second sinks refers.
I have removed lots of kitchens in the last 20 yrs even cabinets from 25 yrs ago were made so bad that they ended straight to the dump. Some were bulit so well they were sold to people for garage cabinets or shops.
I could go on and on about this issue but I wont. I just try to do the best that I can and make a product that wont end up at the dump.
Rc
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Post by jalvis on Feb 26, 2015 11:34:56 GMT -5
We certainly see the Social problems that effect our industry. My only hope for the future of my business is that over time I will gain a stronger following of customers rather then change what I do to feed the masses.
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R cash
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Post by R cash on Feb 26, 2015 19:55:38 GMT -5
I have for many years refused use mdf or melamine or apply edge banding of any kind it always fails before it should. When I need a thin exposed edge on sheet stock I use the Burgess shaper cutters to create solid wood edge. My client base is 70% repeat and the rest is word of mouth. If educate your clients about quality they will come back it takes a lot of time and effort but worth it. Here's a pic of my edge sys Have a great day   |
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Post by lincoln on Feb 26, 2015 20:01:11 GMT -5
Very nice system, R cash. Do you know if you can get a similar cutter for a router?
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Post by R cash on Feb 26, 2015 20:58:15 GMT -5
Yes the come in a pair of bits and a shim kit for adjustment I have them as we'll for curved work. Highly recommended you can trim the solid wood as close as you like to the ply veneer for a zero wood edge look. I tend to leave enough for 1/16" edge sanding also the veneer is more protected.
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Post by jalvis on Mar 3, 2015 14:43:10 GMT -5
I can't imagine a customer paying for solid wood edging on cabinet boxes or shelving. Even the highest priced homes in my area have melamine boxes unless theres exposed shelving or glass doors.
Melamine and MDF are great materials if kept dry. Its water that causes the problems. I have clients with melamine boxes in the kitchen that are 30 years old without a problem. The only failures I see are under the sink and thats because of water leaks. Even the pictures you show still have MDF core for the veneer.
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Post by R cash on Mar 4, 2015 0:17:18 GMT -5
Hi Jalvis
That edge sample that I showed was from $138 a sheet A 1 vertical grain Doug fir plywood. Was made for drawer and door front all grain lines matched doors and drawers were all inset. At the moment almost all A 1 panels in my area come this way with mdf substrate
I offer only one grade of cabinets. My cases are pre finished maple ply with solid wood frame for the edges with inset drawers and doors.
Mostly my drawer fronts are solid wood and doors are frame an panel with solid panels.
The kitchen with Doug fir grain match the client wanted full euro look and inset hence plywood with solid edges like the sample.
This edge sys is used in my shop for furniture grade case work with with thin exposed edges or for flat slab type doors. This edge sys produces a product that's elegant and durable for the long term. I'm sure 30 yr old edgebaned melamine looks great but you will never see my name on it. As far as the formaldehyde used in melamine and mdf which can off gas for up to 15 years much less the dust in the shop. That's a whole nother issue that deserves its own thread.
I do use some mdf for templates most of those I order from a shop with a cnc after 37 yr of making sawdust and breathing it.
I try to the nastiest stuff as far away as possible.
Have a great day
Rc
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