Crazy, I just went to the FOG site & read about it. I am glad I went with the Mafell. I was waiting for the release of the ts55r to buy it but switched last minute to the Mafell. Since then I have been to my local Woodcraft several times and each time I go look at the festool and I'm glad every time I took a chance on the mafell even though I couldn't physically check it out before buying.
Same here. I've only picked their new saw up at the dealer and it felt like a step down in quality from their last one. Seems that's true. Festool are really pushing to expand and i wonder if it's hurting their products
I have wondered the same. I have been seeing a lot more festool advertisements in JLC and Fine homebuilding magazines the past few years. One funny note: I recently watched the Ads at the festool track saw site where they have real user videos of the 55r saw. On, I think it is the JLC or contractor talk forums one of these real world users can be found saying that their opinion is that mafell makes the best of the track saws. I am sure you have already noticed the same thing as I have seen your name on many of these other forums as well.
I think it shows integrity that you and Jalvis have the same screen name on the different forums, not that there would be any agenda either way anyhow but it is sometimes hard to tell if people are getting free tools etc for their "real world user" posts & youtube videos. I also have several festool tools and am really happy with them...not intending to badmouth just find it all interesting. From my experience the mafell stuff is on another level though, for the few items they do have.
I've been thinking the same thing for the past few months as I've slowly been replacing some of my Festools (not all) with Mafell.
The build quality isn't what it used to be. It's not that they're suddenly junk, but I feel they use more and more plastics and simple stamped parts instead of accurately machined metal parts. As a whole I feel Festool has become more form over function over the past years.
There's the Carvex 400. Everyone knows what a fiasco that was and I'm also not convinced by the 420 overhaul. Now there's news about a TS55R recall and I've been reading a lot of threads regarding problems with the Kapex miter saw as well over on the FOG.
It's a good thing they have a large catalogue, a big marketing machine, a very loyal customer base and their excellent servicing to fall back to.
Regardless of the problems they seem to be facing, Festool produces some of the best tools money can buy, and I can see Festool growing exponentially in the States over the coming years.
Festool isn't the best (anymore), but it's more than good enough for the vast majority and their truckload of accessories do make life easier.
Last Edit: Jul 15, 2013 5:22:31 GMT -5 by jonathan
Festool definitely still has the reputation of being the best. Today a friend that used to do high end cabinetry came by my shop while I was ripping butcher block tops with the MT55 and said "no way you have one of those...umm...umm...whats that name again? So I said "your thinking festool right? He responded "yeah... thats not one of them though is it" Then I had to be that dorky one upper guy when I tried to explain why I went with the mafell.
Anyway my point is Festool has done a great job of making good tools that end users have been cult-like happy about and as someone already stated their advertising has been very effective too. I haven't been a fan for long enough to know but it seems like there have been more problems lately for sure.
I'm not really a fan of the whole "brand cult" thing. Yes I started a forum for Mafell tools but I am completely willing to accept that something more effective might be out there or is about to come out. Part of me is bothered by some vidoes of users shops that are completely decked out in one brand's gear that they almost look like a dealer. I don't need every tool out there just what works for me. We're carpenters, we're problem solvers, we adapt. There's more than one right answer. This forum was started because FOG is a company run website, which is impressively open, but more and more talk about mafell was popping up, mainly because there is no other outlet for that discussion, but it was starting to get uncomfortable due to them being direct competitors for certain products.
Brand Loyalty is poison to objectivism. Thats the problem with company run forums and moderators which isn't to educate but propagate.
This is a carpenters site with a focus on Mafell. I want the best method possible to offer the best product possible.....call the tool what you want but the focus is on the end product. The tool is just the middle ground.
I am really glad you guys started the forum. Mafell has great tools but very little awareness. The information available before this site seemed to be only from places that sell Mafell and are advertising.
What other portable tools do you guys like a lot? I'm talking the type that you are impressed with like the various Mafell tools we discuss.
I really like the Mirka Ceros sander. Even though it takes a bit more set up because of its DC brushless motor I find myself using it more than my other sanders.
Jalvis- I believe you mentioned in another post that you have owned (or do own) the TS55 or the ATF55. Am I correct?
Not to put you on the spot but have you spent any time with the TS55r? Do you think there seems to be a decrease in overall build quality these days? Obviously the TS55r has more features than the previous models...I'm only referring to build quality & feel.
I've only picked up the new TS55R and didn't feel any difference from the original TS55. There are some noticeable differences which I see as major upgrades such as the flat side to allow cutting close to the wall. I think most on this forum feel the quality for the Festool diminish because they have used the Mafell MT55 and can immediately notice the difference. Festool makes some great tools and when you start comparing high end equipment its more of an accumulation of features and quality that separate the tools. The Blade change function alone on the Mafell MT55 is enough for me to buy it.....not to mention the rails, scoring, power, construction....the list goes on and on.
You also have to remember that not everyone demands the same level of quality in there equipment. I hate fighting tools(almost more than clients) and my work is technical enough without struggling with equipment. I'm also making my living with the equipment I own so I look at value differently especially if its long term value or a higher quality product for my customer.
I was very close to buying a TS55R before the recall but because it wasn't available, came across the KSS300 and the MT55. On thing I really like on the festool is what you can do on an MFT type table. I know I can use the MT55 on festool rails, but I like the way the Mafell rails join. I'm going to start out with the KSS300 and although I won't be able to do bevel cuts, I'm thinking about getting a couple of mafell F rails. Can somebody get accurate measurements of the clamp slots for me? Since the slots are smaller than the festool, I'm going to try to get rail dogs machined for use with the Mafell rails.
That is a very difficult measurement. The clamp slots are of course sort of T-shaped. My guess is you would need the type of calipers that the machine shop likely uses and the rail as well as possibly the clamps in person to make sure you don't pay for an error. I think its best to have the dogs machined once you get your order so the machine shop can get measurements for themselves and be accountable for the final fit.
abdon: I stand corrected , the angle fence is only attaches with F -Tracks , what confused me was , that the Timberwolf site mentioned it will work with the NFU machine, yes it will work but only I guess when you use the Ftrack , with other tracks Like the KSS L.
Nov 28, 2020 22:52:01 GMT -5
glynnco: Did you order from GereedschapPro? I see them as in stock but I'm located in the US and am not sure if they ship here. I sent them an email asking about shipping but it was returned undeliverable...
Dec 10, 2020 7:37:40 GMT -5
jonathan: I've purchased a lot of stuff from our neighbours @ GereedschapPro.nl As far as I know they are one of the larger Mafell dealers in the EU. I can recommend them, they usually respond quickly.
Dec 11, 2020 13:58:36 GMT -5
NFU 50 Transportation?: Hi Guys, is there some Systainer for the NFU 50?
Dec 11, 2020 14:30:12 GMT -5
frezik24: Hello everyone
Dec 13, 2020 9:20:00 GMT -5
lasse: Thanks for the tip! I have own a mafell rail which is 160 cm and one that is 80 cm. Will it work just as well or will I need to buy rail that is 110 cm?
Mar 18, 2021 15:35:15 GMT -5