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Post by MrToolJunkie on Aug 25, 2014 0:46:48 GMT -5
Does the KSS80 or KSS400 fit in a Systainer or Bosch L-Boxx without the cross-cut rail, anyone know?
Thanks
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Post by jonathan on Aug 25, 2014 5:00:17 GMT -5
Does the KSS80 or KSS400 fit in a Systainer or Bosch L-Boxx without the cross-cut rail, anyone know? Thanks Not sure about the KSS400 without rail. But if my memory serves me right, a KSS400 with rail comes in a red special metal case. a KSS80 without rail comes in a Sortimo L-Boxx. It is too big to fit in a systainer. A KSS 80 with rail also comes in a red special metal case.
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Post by checkmax on Aug 25, 2014 15:05:39 GMT -5
Anybody experience this kind of play in their rail set-up?
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Aug 25, 2014 15:27:47 GMT -5
Hard to tell from the video. All of my saws have a VERY slight amount of play, but it doesn't affect the quality of a finished edge, for instance joining panel goods there aren't and gaps.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Aug 25, 2014 16:22:07 GMT -5
I have seen this vid before. In truth when using the saw or any saw on a track you do not shake your hand left or right. To me that vid is looking for a problem that will not show up when using in practice. The bungee type spring keep the saw pulled to one side. So to make the saw slop about you have to do it with your hand. When using just push the saw no slop in use. The only time there can be an issue is when using a dull blade then the saw will want pull to one side maybe a mill. If I do a square cut then check with the square 99 times out of 100 no light will show under the square when checking. Also as I'm right handed I tend to put slight pressure right to left. Another thing is when doing angle cuts it's best to keep your arm in a direct line of the cut. So you are not arcing your arm if that makes sense
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Aug 25, 2014 18:45:07 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree with wrightwoodwork. I can get ANY saw to deflect, including my Kapex and all of the Festool track saws. As well engineered and precise as these tools are, they still require varying degrees of skill to operate them.
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Post by 7 on Aug 25, 2014 23:29:11 GMT -5
The KSS 400 fits in a standard systainer without the rail attached. The red metal case is an additional accessory and doesn't come included with the saw & rail.
I can't imagine how even the best engineer in the world could get a saw to glide smoothly on a track with low friction AND get it to not have any wiggle when forced side to side on purpose. While working in a normal way one would never realize there is any side to side movement at all.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Aug 26, 2014 0:49:35 GMT -5
I thought the MT allowed for adjustments to remove any slop. I know on my P1cc there is a slight amount of slop but as others have said, it does not seem to matter on the cut and I got uniform thin strips off a cherry board that were within .001 thickness of each other, which was pretty darn accurate.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Aug 26, 2014 0:51:46 GMT -5
How is the power of the 400? The thing I hate about the Festool 55 is that it feels under powered. Since this has similar watt motor do you notice it? Could this saw handle 8\4 rips?
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Aug 26, 2014 1:15:04 GMT -5
It can handle ripping with no problems using the appropriate blade as long as the timber is dry in common softwood. The only thing it don't like ripping is the green tantalized timber 50mm that is soaking wet and you can see the water run out of it. On the whole I think it seems more powerful. It doesn't have the same electronic that look at something then go it's to difficult I can't do it. It gives it's best shot
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Aug 26, 2014 7:09:07 GMT -5
How is the power of the 400? The thing I hate about the Festool 55 is that it feels under powered. Since this has similar watt motor do you notice it? Could this saw handle 8\4 rips? As Wrightwoodwork stated above, the KSS-400 has plenty of power. I've used it to rip a 4x6 PSL beam (2 passes, due to thickness of material), and it flew through the cut. I've found it important to match the blade you're using to the task you're performing. The 32 tooth blade that comes with the saw is a great all-around blade that makes nice, clean cuts in plywood and millwork, and can cut 2x material just fine. I've found that the 24 tooth blade is a great framing blade, particularly when I know I'll be doing a lot of ripping. The 16 tooth blade is a bit coarse, but for ripping it can't be beat, particularly if you plan on cleaning up the edge.
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Post by highlander on Aug 26, 2014 7:33:39 GMT -5
Does the KSS80 or KSS400 fit in a Systainer or Bosch L-Boxx without the cross-cut rail, anyone know? Thanks The 400 fits perfectly in a sys4, its pretty much the exact same width so its a good snug fit. I keep mine in a nice protool sys with the motor fully raised and guard retracted so it sits flat on its base. As for this issue of slop, it just doesnt affect the cut or accuracy in use, I was using mine for the fist time properly at the weekend and was very impressed with its accuracy and quality of cut, it is a brilliant bit of engineering, couldnt be happier with it.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Aug 26, 2014 8:37:58 GMT -5
Great insight, guys. Appreciate everyone's thoughts. Now, should I wait a little while for the KSS80 or go for the 400? I see advantages of both.
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Post by 7 on Aug 26, 2014 22:49:22 GMT -5
I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question. I beleive woodie is the only person on the forum who owns the KSS80 and I don't think he owns the 400. I (and Tom and Wright) love the 400 but don't own the 80.
I would strongly consider the KSS80 if it had just a tiny bit more cutting depth so that it could cut a nominal 4x4 post/ 2x4s edgewise. I think it is just a hair shy while riding the rails.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Aug 26, 2014 23:12:40 GMT -5
Thanks, 7. The variable speed and 60 degree angle are two other features that look appealing and being able to bevel 8\4. But, I think the 400 would cover many of my needs too and it is much less cost and I can see how having a smaller saw would be easier to handle over long sessions. Maybe I need them both...
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