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Post by dutch on May 18, 2014 14:42:10 GMT -5
hello all, ive just joined the forum and was hoping to get a couple of questions on the kss saws answered. about 11 years ago I bought the ksp 40 and used it for around 2 years and was a great little saw. My questions are can the kss 400 saw be adjusted to the guide rails, what I mean is to take out any play. Also are there any new kss saws being released in the near future. Cheers.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 18, 2014 15:02:08 GMT -5
There is no way to adjust the slop on the kss saws it's only the mt55 that you can adjust the slop. The mt55 is more intended for cabinet grade work. Where the kss saws are more general purpose saws. In all honesty I don't find it a problem, the only time it is a problem is when the blade is getting blunt and doing a bevel cut then sometimes saw will drift slightly. I can't see any new kss saws coming out
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Post by dutch on May 18, 2014 15:42:48 GMT -5
thanks for the quick reply. In the last 10 years ive gone through 2 festool ts55s. I am definitely buying the mt 55 and was thinking about a kss400 to go with it. I wondered if the kss was good enough to replace a scms. just so I can reduce the tools im carrying around. I would mostly want to be using it for large skirting boards. also is there a way to tilt the bevel past 45 degrees, to around 47.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 18, 2014 16:29:44 GMT -5
For a lot of tasks it can replace a scms. Just out of curiosity what hand are you. The reason I ask is if you are left handed the kss saws are more suited to right handed people. I'm right handed so it fits my hand orientation where if someone is left handed and I've watched them try to use it isn't as comfortable for them to use they can but ideally you want the right hand on the saw and the left on the rail. On the saw when it locks on the bungee actually pulls the saw from the right to the left and pulls the slop out if that makes sense. I know that for myself if I was doing a large bevel cut at 45 300mm wide I would trust the kss more than a dewalt scms to stay true to the square more I can't compare to the likes of a kapex. I have to admit I love the kss saws and is one of my favorite tools the reason I love it is for the very reason I don't need to bother with scms. There is a learning curve. Where abouts are based
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Post by dutch on May 18, 2014 17:07:09 GMT -5
I am left handed but can usually adapt to use right when needed. Again thank you for your feedback. I am based in Bedford in the UK. I have used a lot of different tools over the years and used to have the ksp40. The armature went on it and repair would have cost £270. That was back in 2005. It was an excellent saw and I've always ment to replace it.
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Post by 7 on May 18, 2014 19:32:33 GMT -5
hello all, ive just joined the forum and was hoping to get a couple of questions on the kss saws answered. about 11 years ago I bought the ksp 40 and used it for around 2 years and was a great little saw. My questions are can the kss 400 saw be adjusted to the guide rails, what I mean is to take out any play. Also are there any new kss saws being released in the near future. Cheers. I haven't seen a need to adjust the 400 to fit the rail, it seems to fit good with just the groove...this could change over time I guess. The Mt55 is way better if you plan to use it on the rail mostly. As for new KSS saws being released- The KSS 80Ec/370 was released only a short time ago if I am not mistaken. I assume you already know about that one though.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 19, 2014 0:11:26 GMT -5
Good info...7, did you not also have the KSS300? Now that you have the 400, are you planning on keeping both or selling the smaller unit?
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Post by 7 on May 19, 2014 23:19:48 GMT -5
Good info...7, did you not also have the KSS300? Now that you have the 400, are you planning on keeping both or selling the smaller unit? I will no doubt keep them both. I am still fascinated with the 300 and have times that it is still the go to tool. I like having the variety/ options.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 19, 2014 23:40:19 GMT -5
That is great...I cannot wait to add some more Mafell to my collection...crazy that it all started with a jigsaw. I want an MT55, Erika, KSS400 or KSS85 and I do not know why, but that half-sheet sander just looks awesome. Do I need any of these tools, no...but I want them all the same. Will take time to save up for them, but life is short. Oh, and I want the DD40 too!
You are lucky to have and use both KSS saws -- it is good to have options!
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Post by 7 on May 19, 2014 23:52:17 GMT -5
I actually have some interest in the half sheet sander as well. I wish we could see these tools before buying even if I have been happy with all so far. I wonder how aggressive vs mellow the half sheet sander is.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 20, 2014 0:10:05 GMT -5
Yeah...it looks like it is super smooth and can be aggressive with course grit. I have an RS2E by Festool which I like as well as the DTS but having both in one sander would be pretty cool. I sand lots of panels and furniture so flat is the name of the game.
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Post by 7 on May 20, 2014 21:18:53 GMT -5
Yeah...it looks like it is super smooth and can be aggressive with course grit. I have an RS2E by Festool which I like as well as the DTS but having both in one sander would be pretty cool. I sand lots of panels and furniture so flat is the name of the game. I have to make 25 crappy (from a woodworkers perspective) 4'x8' tables out of glued up 2x6x8 framing lumber (Douglas fir) with 4x4 (DF) legs. they will be used by a local rental/ events business so the legs will need to be removable. i am wanting to find a fast way to sand the tops flat after glue up. I didn't see a price for the half sheet mafell sander on the timber wolf site (the sander isn't on there, would likely need to call). You don't happen to know the $ do you? Looks like the festool is $400. Is that one very aggressive with a course grit? (relative question I realize so hard to answer)
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 20, 2014 23:40:25 GMT -5
Yeah...it looks like it is super smooth and can be aggressive with course grit. I have an RS2E by Festool which I like as well as the DTS but having both in one sander would be pretty cool. I sand lots of panels and furniture so flat is the name of the game. I have to make 25 crappy (from a woodworkers perspective) 4'x8' tables out of glued up 2x6x8 framing lumber (Douglas fir) with 4x4 (DF) legs. they will be used by a local rental/ events business so the legs will need to be removable. i am wanting to find a fast way to sand the tops flat after glue up. I didn't see a price for the half sheet mafell sander on the timber wolf site (the sander isn't on there, would likely need to call). You don't happen to know the $ do you? Looks like the festool is $400. Is that one very aggressive with a course grit? (relative question I realize so hard to answer) Ironic that you ask as I just called David today to talk about pricing. It only comes in 230V, but he pointed me to a voltage converter that they use at Timberwolf for any of their 230 volt tools. He was very specific about the one to get and so I would ask about it if you decide to go the Mafell -- I think the cost of the converter is around $120 or so. After talking to David I would have no issue buying 230 volt tools and using the method he discussed or clipping the end of cord and fitting it with a twist lock plug to fit my 230 volt extension cords that I use for my bigger machinery. The cost of the sander is just over $600. You can purchase the Abranet abrasives from Timberwolf and the pricing varies by grit, but figure it is roughly $2.00 per sheet. So, my guess is around $80 to $100 for a box, depending on grit. From what I have read, this type of abrasive lasts longer than most traditional sandpaper and I think you can wash the screen off if it gets clogged. Heiko has two videos on You Tube that go through the sander in detail, but they are in German so you have to guess at what he is saying. His blog has some positive things to say (which you can read in English). In regard to the Festool sander, which I do own (RS2E), this is one of my favorites. I use it on just about every piece I build and I have used it exclusively from start to finish on projects with no other sander. It can be very aggressive with coarse grit. It will not be as fast as a Rotex in rotary mode, but for an orbital it can remove material at a good rate and you get a flat surface afterward. I find the surface finish to be better than any other sander I have tried, even my ETS 150/3...it has a smaller orbital pattern and the flat surface makes a difference. I think that every woodworker should own a 1/2 sheet sander. One other thing with the Festool (and not sure if this would be the same technique as Mafell), but you have to move the sander fairly quickly to get the right scratch pattern -- much faster than an RO sander. It takes a little getting used to, but once you get the feel it works very well. Another option for half-sheet sanders to consider is Bosch's newer version OS50VC. This is a little less than the Festool, but I have read good things about the vibration control. This sander uses normal sheets cut in half or rolls that you cut length wise. There is no hook & loop pad, but the clamping system looks pretty good and another forum I am active on has some users that own it and it gets good feedback from them too. Wow -- 25 tables. I would probably start with a rotary sander to initially flatten the surface and then follow with a 1/2 sheet sander. You could do it all with the 1/2 sheet if the glue joints were good -- might be an excuse to get a Domino or the DD40 to help align joints. We should probably ask a mod to move this discussion to a thread on sanders since we seem to have taken the conversation in a different discussion from the KSS saw.
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Post by 7 on May 21, 2014 23:35:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the detailed response. I think I might be the master of derailing threads... a bit of a scatter brain. I agree this should be moved if possible to the sander section. I had a random idea today for sanding the tables which I think might work well and speed the process up. I have a wood flooring drum sander that I might try to use. Just lay the 4x8 tops out in sections and sand them like a big wood floor. The tables need to look decent but are more production style than fine woodworking.
I am going to check out the festool half sheet sander next time I am at woodcraft.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 22, 2014 0:34:35 GMT -5
Hmmm...not sure how well that would work but maybe. You would have to secure them somehow as I would imagine they could move. Someone on FOG used a Plan ex for sanding and it seemed to work.
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