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Post by Tom Gensmer on Mar 17, 2014 23:15:10 GMT -5
I am curious as to the cut quality achieved when using the MF-26, in conjunction with the "Expanding Groove Cutter", MF-VN 25, 206074. Specifically, I'm wondering if it could replace a track-guided router and/or table saw with dado stack for cutting dados in solid wood and Baltic Birch plywood for cabinet and furniture building? Is there very much (Any?) chipping or tear-out? How quick/easy is it to adjust the cutting width? How is the cutting width adjusted? In what increments can you adjust? How about power? For instance, let's say you want to cut a groove/dado 19mm wide x 9mm deep (3/4" wide by 3/8" deep) in Maple. I'm interested to hear a response on this, could open up some VERY interesting options. Specifically, it would give me one less reason to look at a traditional table saw with a dado stack, and free up my router for other duties. Looking forward to any info!  www.mafell.de/fileadmin/media/epaper/katalog_2013_2014_en/index.html#/108 |
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Post by jonathan on Mar 18, 2014 1:35:25 GMT -5
wrightwoodwork is the man to talk to about this. He's used a demo unit for a few weeks if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 18, 2014 2:41:58 GMT -5
Yes I have some pics to post also check across at mafell Facebook or Google plus pages there is photo of an item that has being made with the mf26cc
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Post by toomanytoys on Mar 18, 2014 6:45:04 GMT -5
That is a neat tool!
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 18, 2014 15:04:57 GMT -5
I am curious as to the cut quality achieved when using the MF-26, in conjunction with the "Expanding Groove Cutter", MF-VN 25, 206074. Specifically, I'm wondering if it could replace a track-guided router and/or table saw with dado stack for cutting dados in solid wood and Baltic Birch plywood for cabinet and furniture building? Is there very much (Any?) chipping or tear-out? How quick/easy is it to adjust the cutting width? How is the cutting width adjusted? In what increments can you adjust? How about power? For instance, let's say you want to cut a groove/dado 19mm wide x 9mm deep (3/4" wide by 3/8" deep) in Maple. I'm interested to hear a response on this, could open up some VERY interesting options. Specifically, it would give me one less reason to look at a traditional table saw with a dado stack, and free up my router for other duties. Looking forward to any info! www.mafell.de/fileadmin/media/epaper/katalog_2013_2014_en/index.html#/108The mf26cc could definitely replace a router in doing housing cuts or rebates. In fact it is more efficient at doing the task. It is basically the equivalent of using a spindle moulder which have a far more effective cutting action than a router when it comes to making grooves. If you are making a groove with grain, using the mf26cc the cutter is always going the same direction as the grain hence a better cutting action. Where when using the router the cutting action is going neither with the grain or against the grain. Also the cutter is spinning around at maybe 20000 rpm. It won't make grooves below 15.4mm unless you had a cutter specially made. I think lietz make cutters at set sizes below 15.4mm that can be used When it comes chip out or tear out there is 0 on the expanding groove cutters there is pre scoring knifes which score the timber before the knifes removes the waste. It's basically like when you learned the basics with hand tool. When doing a housing joint the shoulder of the housing joint gets cut first with a tenon saw then the waste is chiseled out To adjust the cutters is really easy. Anybody with the mt55 will know how easy it is to change the saw blade. It is just a case of pulling the lever which automatically locks the spindle then using an allen key to remove the cutter. The cutter is in 2 parts with varing thickness discs from 0.1mm to 5mm. These are placed in between the cutter. Then any not used are placed on the outside of the cutter. Then the cutter is placed back and tightened, job done There is plenty of power in fact the way the cutting action works you don't need as much power as a router it will cut 26 x 25mm wide groove in oak, in one shot. The only think is when using dust extraction the 35mm hose needs to be used as there is so many shaving made. So when making a 9 x 19 groove it won't even bat an eye lid. When making grooves it must be used with some sort of guidance device be it guide rails or parallel guide fence |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 18, 2014 15:51:31 GMT -5
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Post by jonathan on Mar 18, 2014 16:23:44 GMT -5
I wish I had more use for a tool like the MC26  Can't justify it, but I really want one though |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 18, 2014 16:49:46 GMT -5
Yeah it does cost a lot. If you do a lot of commercial fit out jobs like hospital or schools. I've done in the past and it would have be perfect at these jobs the advantage being dust collection compared to the old fashioned knife or plasterboard saw. I'm still thinking should I or should I not
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Jul 2, 2014 22:10:07 GMT -5
How much is this in the states, anyone know?
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Post by 7 on Jul 3, 2014 19:12:46 GMT -5
How much is this in the states, anyone know? I don't know but am curious too. My guess is the first cost problem would be the tool and the second would be the cutter heads/ blade. |
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Jul 3, 2014 23:28:06 GMT -5
How much is this in the states, anyone know? I don't know but am curious too. My guess is the first cost problem would be the tool and the second would be the cutter heads/ blade. I think you are probably right...but, it looks like it would tackle a lot of things that other tools do and probably do it faster and with a better finish. It looks like such a cool tool when I see the videos of it in action. Like a lot of other Mafell tools...LOL. |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jul 4, 2014 13:06:33 GMT -5
In the uk the mf26cc is around the same price as the NFU32 so my guess it would be around the same price as what you have to pay for a NFU32 at timberwolf tools $1880 as a guide line. Obviously you would need to talk to timberwolf on price. On the correct job it could be worth getting. It is a tool that does need more types of cutter blocks developing. Then it would be like having a mobile spindle moulder. The expanding cutter is very similar to expanding cutters on spindle moulders with the 2 part block the only difference is 20mm bore. Instead of 30mm bore. I suppose if 30mm bore blocks could be made to work on 20mm with a reducer then there possibly could be more options
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Post by luzzy on Jul 29, 2014 20:48:46 GMT -5
We're currently building a BCBG store with with radius soffits,light coves and walls from 9 1/4" to 6'-0" . Man do I wish I had the MF26 right now. Wetting 1/4" drywall is one of my least favorite methods and fails 75% of the time. I wonder if anyone in the US owns one yet?
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jul 30, 2014 11:08:03 GMT -5
No idea, and properly not. It's really one of those tools that somebody needs to be brave and have a different work method from what there used to and give it a shot. I know that if I was doing the work you describe I would go for it never mind that no one else has. Unfortunately I don't enough of that work to justify it at the moment
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