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Post by 7 on Feb 23, 2014 11:57:41 GMT -5
The dd40 can be used with a single drill bit. If making homemade loose tenons. Remember the rule of thumb is the tenon width should be no more than 5 times Interesting -- so you basically are drilling holes and moving the machine to "drill" out the mortise. Certainly not as fast as a Domino, but could still get you there in certain applications accurately. It would be the easiest and most accurate in my opinion to make a mark on the two sides (left & right) to get the width of the dominos you make- drill the two sides first then just shift a bit each time and hog out the middle connecting the two first holes. As for making the floating tenons all you need is a table saw to cut the height & width and a router with a round over bit that matches the radius of your DD40 bit. It can be done like this with a router too but its more difficult to get a router to ride on the edge of the work piece. a template of some sort would be easy to make but no fun to make one that is adjustable for different material thicknesses. DD40 would be way better/ more practical/ and you guessed it, more expensive:)
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Post by 7 on Feb 23, 2014 12:00:31 GMT -5
It's ok doing on an occasional basis but if doing a lot then the domino is way forward I have used a single drill bit in the past when I only wanted a single dowel hole and the next hole would be showing where I don't want it Just saw this after I just posted. Makes sense. Might be useful with the DD40 if you are primarily going to be doing cabinet box construction, built in closets etc etc with a once or twice a year bed or gate type job.
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Post by garch on Feb 23, 2014 12:28:01 GMT -5
Another option for larger components would be true mortise and tenon joinery. Either cut by hand, not so fast, or with the aid of a stationary hollow chisel mortiser and dado stack. This is the option I use for larger components, with the aid of the bandsaw to cut tenon cheeks. I agree with the other posts regarding choosing the right tool(s) for your particular application. Also, for really large timber, there's always the LS103 for mortises and the Z5 for tenons I recently debated the same question of which tool would be most useful in our shop, either the domino xl or dd40p and chose the latter.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Feb 23, 2014 13:03:06 GMT -5
When I had the mf26cc on demo I did think if would be very easy to make tenons with it and use it to make tenons and a router for the mortises granted it won't be as quick as a tenoning machine to me it's good to have the choice of both modern and traditional ways and gives people choices in there work practice
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 15, 2014 21:16:25 GMT -5
I opted for the Domino XL and picked on up today...tried the router route and could not get a bit long enough for what I want to do and the XL has just the right length -- so it was the right tool for me for the next three projects. Still think the doweler is an awesome tool and I am sure it will be in my arsenal at some point too. My wallet needs to recover now after the XL and the P1CC this week...whew...
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Post by 7 on Mar 16, 2014 1:18:13 GMT -5
I opted for the Domino XL and picked on up today...tried the router route and could not get a bit long enough for what I want to do and the XL has just the right length -- so it was the right tool for me for the next three projects. Still think the doweler is an awesome tool and I am sure it will be in my arsenal at some point too. My wallet needs to recover now after the XL and the P1CC this week...whew… Yep a couple biggies in such a short amount of time is both exciting and stressful. I realize this isn't the FOG but I would appreciate any comments, info, pics, insights etc etc on the Domino XL. I have wondered about it for quite a while now. Just curious also- what are some of your upcoming projects where you'll be using it?
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 16, 2014 3:32:32 GMT -5
Yeah good choice of tools. It's all about buying the tools that fit your needs
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 16, 2014 9:59:43 GMT -5
Thanks, guys. 7, yes, I would be happy to take pics and provide any insight. I have three big projects where it will be used initially -- a french door, a table and chair set (probably will not use it on the chairs and use the smaller one instead) and a bed. Now, it will take me awhile to get through those projects, but they are the next three. I also need to rebuild my gate outside, which this is perfect for and if I finish redoing my yard, I will have another gate on the other side of the house to build. I too have wanted the larger Domino since it came out, but held off on buying it because the smaller one works for so many projects and it is quite useful. I thought that it, combined with my routers and jigs would be enough for most any project and it has worked well for a number of projects. Then I had a need for larger and deeper tenons. I tried buying a longer spiral bit to see if I could get the depth with my router and was not successful and so it made sense for me to go this route. I was really intrigued by the DDP40 but concerned that the 40mm plunge would not be enough, even with the 16mm dowels. The pending price increase in a couple of weeks pushed me to the purchase. I still think I will use my smaller Domino much more than its bigger brother, but now I will not be limited. I have no desire to buy the Seneca adaptor to use the 6mm Dominos with it and in fact, I did not even buy the 8mm or 10mm cutters/Dominos for it either as those overlap with the smaller machine and I cannot see where longer tenons in thinner stock would be of a benefit - maybe there will be a situation where it comes up, but for now I will rely on the XL for the larger mortises and the smaller one for everything else. Let me know if you have any other questions on it and I will try to answer them. I am going to play around with it some today to make sure things work as they should....actually going to be playing with the P1CC too Not sure if you are on FOG too, but obviously there is a ton of useful info there too.
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Post by stofke72 on May 12, 2014 11:12:42 GMT -5
Thanks, guys. 7, yes, I would be happy to take pics and provide any insight. I have three big projects where it will be used initially -- a french door, a table and chair set (probably will not use it on the chairs and use the smaller one instead) and a bed. Now, it will take me awhile to get through those projects, but they are the next three. I also need to rebuild my gate outside, which this is perfect for and if I finish redoing my yard, I will have another gate on the other side of the house to build. I too have wanted the larger Domino since it came out, but held off on buying it because the smaller one works for so many projects and it is quite useful. I thought that it, combined with my routers and jigs would be enough for most any project and it has worked well for a number of projects. Then I had a need for larger and deeper tenons. I tried buying a longer spiral bit to see if I could get the depth with my router and was not successful and so it made sense for me to go this route. I was really intrigued by the DDP40 but concerned that the 40mm plunge would not be enough, even with the 16mm dowels. The pending price increase in a couple of weeks pushed me to the purchase. I still think I will use my smaller Domino much more than its bigger brother, but now I will not be limited. I have no desire to buy the Seneca adaptor to use the 6mm Dominos with it and in fact, I did not even buy the 8mm or 10mm cutters/Dominos for it either as those overlap with the smaller machine and I cannot see where longer tenons in thinner stock would be of a benefit - maybe there will be a situation where it comes up, but for now I will rely on the XL for the larger mortises and the smaller one for everything else. Let me know if you have any other questions on it and I will try to answer them. I am going to play around with it some today to make sure things work as they should....actually going to be playing with the P1CC too Not sure if you are on FOG too, but obviously there is a ton of useful info there too. Scott if you had to buy only one Domino, would you buy the XL with the Seneca adaptor?
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Post by woodster on May 12, 2014 16:11:29 GMT -5
I have both the dd40 and domino, I use the dd40 for accuracy such as cabinet & furniture making etc its accuracy is unrivalled and makes everything so straightforward, I've found its only limitation is smaller pieces such as kitchen face frames chairs etc where the domino comes into its own, but for everything else i always reach for the dd40, dowels are also inexpensive and strong. Has anybody found a way to sharpen dd40 drill bits?
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 13, 2014 0:20:17 GMT -5
I think the size Domino would depend the projects you intend to make. More most things the smaller machine is more ideal. For bigger stuff the XL shines. I am not a fan of using the adapter on the bigger machine personally as I think there could be issues pushing a small bit with all the power.
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Post by stofke72 on May 13, 2014 2:11:22 GMT -5
Most of it's use would be furniture and cabinetmaking. The only question I have with the dd40 is if it's strong enough for larger furniture and doors for example in case I wanted to do that.
Currently I can't afford to buy both the domino XL and DD40 or both dominos. I also wonder how easy it is to use the DD40 on small pieces where you have less than 32 mm. Would one put just 1 dowel there?
Actually I don't doubt the strength of dowels but it seems from experience of people I spoke to to be the joint that's most likely to loosen over time.
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Post by woodie on May 15, 2014 11:10:10 GMT -5
I just picked up the XL last week and I have to say I wouldn't hesitate using this over the DF500. I've never liked the stability and finicky-ness of the DF500. I had a chance to use a pre-production XL at a Festool end user training awhile back and couldn't believe how much more solid it felt (in a good way). The fence and ergonomics have really been improved over the 500 too.
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Post by R cash on May 15, 2014 13:45:23 GMT -5
Everyone requires the tools to make the job better quality. Myself I have had the domino 500 for years then a few years ago I got the duo dowel mafell and I bought the 700 to build a 48" / 96" door. I would not give up one of these tools over the other. The more arrows you have in your quiver the better. In my humble opinion. Rc
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Post by woodie on May 15, 2014 14:32:46 GMT -5
I'm just saying if you had to pick between the DF500 and 700 I wouldn't hesitate to get the 700. I've had my 500 for nearly 3 years but with the improvements the 700 brings I'll probably just end up selling it. With Seneca's adapter there's too much duplication.
As for the DD40, if I didn't already have Festool's LR32 system this would be high up on the wish list.
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