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Post by wrightwoodwork on Nov 13, 2015 10:52:42 GMT -5
No point in buying junk
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Post by GhostFist on Nov 16, 2015 18:16:38 GMT -5
No I haven't forgotten about my promised photo spread amd a more detailed write up (this isn't it). As I said busy few days and the weekend wasn't much better. Did manage toplay around a little bit more with some clamex joints both mitered and butt joints. The machine is a dream to use I find it difficult to imagine joinery done any simpler. For those curious, there is lateral adjustment in both clamex and tenso connectors of a few mm either way so you don't have to start swearing if you're a bit off your center line mark. All of the lamello line work in a similar fashion, in that flushing the machine up to the edge of the work piece will put a biscuit mortise at 60 mm on center from the edge, beyond that they recommend one every 300 mm on center for larger pieces. Pretty simple.
For corner joints your kit comes with two plastic shims that can be clicked on to the registering base in order to perfectly offset the centerline of the mortise, accommodating different connectors and material thicknesses. There's one of those circular spinning reference cards to tell you what shim is needed for what thickness dependent on your material and whether or not the corner is mitered. You might be scratching your head at that but the system is there to pretty much ensure you don't muck up. Set the card to your desired angle, it will highlight different material thicknesses in standard sheet goods, look at yours, ah you need the 4 mm shim, click on, plunge your mortise, perfect joint.
Them pics are coming just compiling them, let me know if there's any specific questions.
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Post by GhostFist on Nov 16, 2015 18:27:27 GMT -5
For a run down of how that reference card works check out the following link link
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Post by holmz on Nov 17, 2015 3:33:12 GMT -5
So when does one use a Clampex P14, a Medius, and the P10 ?
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Post by GhostFist on Nov 17, 2015 12:29:22 GMT -5
The numbers correspond with the maximum depth of each biscuit mortise. So p14 is a 14 mm maximum depth of the circular biscuit mortise. P10, 10 mm and so on. In other words a p14 would blow through 13mm (1/2") ply. The medius....check this vid
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Post by holmz on Nov 17, 2015 16:04:05 GMT -5
So it also refers to width then as well?
(Otherwise it would blow out the sides)
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Post by GhostFist on Nov 17, 2015 17:52:46 GMT -5
No all P connectors have the same widths, which at it's widest point is 9.8mm. So 1/2" or 13mm is about as thin a material as you want to use with P connectors.
Just to recap, the P connectors can only be used with the Zeta as they utilize the t-slot created by this machine. To use standard biscuits with the zeta requires the purchase of a different blade. That jump up and down feature can be turned off so you can use the zeta as a regular lamello biscuit joiner
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Post by holmz on Nov 17, 2015 23:39:39 GMT -5
Yeah - I am looking at the Zeta P
It looked like for normal biscuits with the non-jump mode, then they used different thick plastic biscuits??? Or do they use any mom-n-pop store biscuits?
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Post by jimbouk on Nov 18, 2015 1:13:32 GMT -5
No all P connectors have the same widths, which at it's widest point is 9.8mm. So 1/2" or 13mm is about as thin a material as you want to use with P connectors. Just to recap, the P connectors can only be used with the Zeta as they utilize the t-slot created by this machine. To use standard biscuits with the zeta requires the purchase of a different blade. That jump up and down feature can be turned off so you can use the zeta as a regular lamello biscuit joiner Oh I thought it was same blade just turn 'jump mode' off? That's a shame if not as it slows thing down quite a bit as most jobs I would use both.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Nov 18, 2015 1:37:17 GMT -5
My understanding is if you turn off the up down mode, you then use the bisco biscuits I think. To save doing the blade change and wasting time
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Post by holmz on Nov 18, 2015 5:57:17 GMT -5
Ahh... Or I change to a narrow blade?
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Post by GhostFist on Nov 18, 2015 8:28:51 GMT -5
That's true the bisco biscuits are meant to fit in the thicker mortise.
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Post by GhostFist on Nov 19, 2015 9:25:57 GMT -5
Also worth noting that you can buy a thicker blade for the standard lamello joiners and use a version of clamex with that. These however, need to be screwed into the mortise so a little bit more time to set up but worth noting if you already own a classic x or top 21.
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Post by GhostFist on Nov 19, 2015 9:44:16 GMT -5
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Post by jimbouk on Nov 19, 2015 10:28:53 GMT -5
Wow, you sure covered all your joining bases with those 3 GF. Nice!
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