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Jigsaw?
Feb 12, 2014 12:44:13 GMT -5
Post by jalvis on Feb 12, 2014 12:44:13 GMT -5
I'm curious what everyone uses there jigsaw for and why they choose a jigsaw over a bandsaw.
Like everyone I have a jigsaw and have had many brands and styles over the years but I really don't use it for many tasks. Most onsite work doesn't demand a jigsaw which means I have access to a bandsaw in the shop. If you only use a jigsaw you will still need to sand the cut most likely with a Spindle Sander.
Its one of those tools I don't get excited about using and only see it being useful in conjunction with sanders. When I compare the cost of a new P1CC to a used bandsaw I would get the Bandsaw.
How about some enlightenment on what I'm missing?
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Jigsaw?
Feb 12, 2014 13:53:31 GMT -5
Post by GhostFist on Feb 12, 2014 13:53:31 GMT -5
Well for one portability and ease of use. I've only done some quick tests with the supplied blades on my new p1cc and the smoothness of cut on the finer tooth blade is impressive. As for following your line, the visibility i far above that of say the festool Trion, though this is most people's biggest complaint with the trion. I find the saw better balanced and a lot less jumpy than other jigsaws i use. The quality of this machine, it's power, size and balance, the ability to reverse the blade for cutting beneath the material, it's brilliant tilting base and countless other just well thought out features makes it infinitely more versatile and usable than any other jigsaw I have used in the past. One shop lesson I learned a long while ago, long story, was "whenever possible, move the small item around the large" For instance use a router hand held over a wide table top than say moving a wide table top over a router table. Seems common sense, but reminding myself of that adage has allowed me to simplify my work process and work safer. Not to mention increase my control over the task at hand. I plan on playing with some extreme cutting with this saw and already I feel that daunting tasks for the regular jigsaws will be a cake walk for this guy. A bandsaw is not practical for every application.
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Jigsaw?
Feb 12, 2014 15:30:26 GMT -5
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Feb 12, 2014 15:30:26 GMT -5
To me as I work mainly on site then a jigsaw for me is more practical than a band saw. If I had a workshop then a band saw with a resaw blade would be above jigsaw. The nice thing about the p1cc is you can rely on the results to constant where other jigsaws I have used in the past you simply can't A task that could easily be carried out as an example if you where going to be making a curved wall normally I would cut a top and bottom out of 3/4 ply the shape of the curve in the past I would have to cut each part separately as the jigsaw would go off too much. Where now I would just clamp or screw 2 sheets together, obviously making sure no screws where in the cutting path and do in one shot
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Jigsaw?
Feb 12, 2014 15:49:13 GMT -5
Post by GhostFist on Feb 12, 2014 15:49:13 GMT -5
Exactly, for myself my shop goes with me and it just isn't feasible to bring a bandsaw along. I do a lot of arched windows and openings, and quite often a lot of weird curved stuff ("there are no corners in the future"-quote from the set of Total recall 2012)
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Jigsaw?
Feb 12, 2014 23:17:54 GMT -5
Post by 7 on Feb 12, 2014 23:17:54 GMT -5
I hated jigsaws and rarely used mine until I got the Mafell. All I got was burnt blades and crappy cuts with a lot of deflection. It seemed jigsaw blades were good for about three feet of cutting fairly straight- if even a slight curve was being cut the blade would start smoking after only a few inches. The P1CC is still a jigsaw but just barely. I don't experience any of my jigsaw hatred. I agree with the above comments about the greatest advantage being portability (both taking the tool with you to the job site and running a small tool over a large work piece instead of the opposite.
A few of my favorite uses are: 1- Cutting both top & bottom plate of a radius wall at the same time out of 3'4" OSB (as Wright mentioned) 2- Great for getting really close to a line on a radius counter top (for example) in thick 8/4 hardwood quickly then cleaning the cut with a router guided by the template- saves making a trammel. 3- Cutting holes for can lighting using the circle cutting jig. Different can brands are slightly different diameters- expensive to own several hole saws. I recently did this in my old historic house that I live in- the ceiling was a layer of sheetrock on top of a layer of T&G fir- I made a video that I will post as soon as I arrive with both of my feet in the 21st century.
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Jigsaw?
Feb 12, 2014 23:22:54 GMT -5
Post by 7 on Feb 12, 2014 23:22:54 GMT -5
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Jigsaw?
Feb 12, 2014 23:35:59 GMT -5
Post by 7 on Feb 12, 2014 23:35:59 GMT -5
A couple more pictures of a thrown together trammel- took 5 minutes & perfect for radius work. Admittedly a router can do the same & likely better…this just seemed like a fun thing to do at the time…lets be honest you tool nerds know what I am talking about. I just attached a piece to the top with a few 1" finish nails so the circle/ track template was no longer visible and locked in, nailed the end of the trammel into a work table 11 feet away, squared to the work piece and went for it.
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Jigsaw?
Feb 19, 2014 20:48:05 GMT -5
Post by MrToolJunkie on Feb 19, 2014 20:48:05 GMT -5
Very cool pics. I am on the fence about adding a P1CC. It would be my fourth jigsaw. I like them a lot and if I could only have one hand-powered tool it would probably be the jigsaw -- you can accurately rip, cross-cut and cut curves with one in a variety of materials that makes it so useful and versatile. I keep getting excited about what the P1CC can do. I already own a newer Bosch 572, a Trion and a Carvex and I think that each one excels in certain applications. The P1CC seems to excel at lots of things too, which makes it interesting.
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Jigsaw?
Feb 20, 2014 17:09:53 GMT -5
Post by jalvis on Feb 20, 2014 17:09:53 GMT -5
Thanks for all the replays.
Maybe my distaste for jigsaws is related to not having the P1CC? I've had a half a dozen different models and currently have the Festool Trion which isn't any better then my Dewalt. At least the Dewalt has keyless blade removal.
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Jigsaw?
Feb 20, 2014 21:56:38 GMT -5
Post by 7 on Feb 20, 2014 21:56:38 GMT -5
Thanks for all the replays. Maybe my distaste for jigsaws is related to not having the P1CC? I've had a half a dozen different models and currently have the Festool Trion which isn't any better then my Dewalt. At least the Dewalt has keyless blade removal. I really thought the only thing jigsaws were good for was tasks like notching the corners on MDF window sills which is only a small step up from cutting cardboard square and cutting out holes for over mount sinks where the cut would be completely hidden. Plus I always thought that the blades were completely disposable because they would almost light on fire after cutting one sink cut out.
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Jigsaw?
Mar 14, 2014 16:54:23 GMT -5
Post by schmidjo on Mar 14, 2014 16:54:23 GMT -5
Hi, new to the forum. A sort of related question to this Thread. I bought a festool tracksaw a ~4 or 5 years ago, with the vac, and the mft3. Mainly justified it because I had not invested in a fancy table saw, or bandsaw nor in too many other woodworking tools. Safety ( fingers and lungs) were a consideration also. Its been great! I have made a lot of stuff with the saw, rebuilt a deck, made a tool chest workbench, lots of shelves, nothing too fancy, but a lot of utility items. Its definitely nice for cutting down 4'x8' sheets..
Anyway, we moved. The shop went from a three car garage to a rental townhouse. Neighbors close and absolutely no touching of electrical or anything for that matter in the garage (no mods allowed, period). (you should see the plastic duct and fan I put on the ceiling to vent out a cracked garage door…) So the festool track saw is probably too loud and occasionally blows the fuse if I push it. (120 v 15amp only!) A positive is I am really learning a lot more about hand woodworking. Been cutting dadoes and box joints by hand. Kind of fun and relaxing.. or if I am in a hurry on the dadoes will use the track saw, two depth cuts and chip and hand route out the middle. (I really dislike using power routers..noise, dust, etc...)
Anyway, since I now know about festool, I obviously heard about about the new Carvex. "Wow sweet. I will just get that to “replace” the ts55 saw." Obviously can’t do dados, but should be able to rip and cross cut nice and straight using it on a rail (or against a straight edge, etc...). Not too loud, not too much power draw, dust collection good, relatively safe saw etc..
So of course I am taking my time, researching, selling the festool items, etc, etc and discover Mafell. (Of course I also discover bridge city tools…) Ignoring price, What do guys think? (obviously I am now considering the P1CC). Any comments, advice, knowhow, thoughts, experience, etc, are welcome, I am thinking for the Jig saw to be my main (powered) saw. thanks! From John
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Jigsaw?
Mar 14, 2014 18:40:09 GMT -5
Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 14, 2014 18:40:09 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum. Others have more experience with the PICC than I do, but I just took delivery of it today. I actually own and use the Trion, Carvex and Bosch's 572. This will be my fourth jigsaw and some may state that I have an issue with so many jigsaws. Why do I have so many, you might ask? Well, in my experience there is not one single perfect saw out there. Short comings on one are strengths of another. I might end up getting rid of some of mine if the P1CC cuts as good as I need it to and this is something I am going to be testing in the coming weeks. I can run my own test and see how things stack up. I think that I am going to be happy with is and 7's posts on cut quality in thick and thin stock is what helped push me over the edge.
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Jigsaw?
Mar 14, 2014 18:40:32 GMT -5
Post by GhostFist on Mar 14, 2014 18:40:32 GMT -5
If noise is a factor consider that it will take longer to make a rip cut with a jigsaw than it would to run the tracksaw. In other words, you may get a "WRRREEEEW!" with a tracksaw while a jigsaw will give you a "RRRRRRUGHUGHUGHUGHUGHAAAAHHHRRRRRRRRUUUGH". While the P1cc gives exceptional quality cuts, the MT55 gives pristine cuts! If you're dead set on a high end jigsaw the p1cc is in a class of its own. I wouldn't even consider the carvex.....or anything elds for that matter.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 14, 2014 19:03:08 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity have you considered something like free standing sound panels I guess you are in some period property where to do anything is a no
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Jigsaw?
Mar 14, 2014 20:09:07 GMT -5
Post by GhostFist on Mar 14, 2014 20:09:07 GMT -5
For processing sheet goods a tracksaw is the better tool
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