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Post by Knight Woodworks on Oct 13, 2021 7:19:19 GMT -5
Thanks.
John
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Oct 17, 2021 9:21:56 GMT -5
Festool has a complete range of thin kerf blades now that they introduced the new cordless and mains powered saws.. The F series.
184mm has lots of options in the US, but not in metric arbor hole sizes. Mighty be able to custom order and get the right sized hole bore.
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Post by nanowire on Oct 26, 2021 9:15:33 GMT -5
The KSS50 and KSS60 were not around when I purchased my HK but would also be worth a look from the Mafell line. I have the KSS60 cordless - biggest down side is serious lack of blade options... like 2... a 16 tooth and a 32 tooth.
The HKC can be used with all the TS55 blades - OK they are a bit hicker, but if you need to cut 19mm melamine board, there is adequate power.
I will try some MT55 blades on the KSS60 when I get a moment - of course 25mm smaller diameter, but I don't always have all my saws with me, and if I just have the KSS60 and need to cut particle board?.. shame, as the KSS50 has more options, and is only a few mm away from the MT55 for diameter.
Let me know if anyone has seen other blade options for the KSS60.
I’ve been using 165 mm thin kerf Dewalt blades for those cuts (initially with a ksp55 and later with the KSS60). Cheap and works fine both on and off track. Some 185 mm alternatives would be nice though.
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Post by aas on Oct 26, 2021 13:11:21 GMT -5
I picked up a Bosch 184mm thin kerf 1,0mm/1,6mm - I thought the difference between the plate and kerf is the same so it won't eat into the splinter strip. Unfortunately I tried it today (stuck up in the mountains without my MT55 18 and all it's blades!)... the plate is too thin to be clamped - i thought it was OK, spun up the saw, then the stopped the saw, but the blade kept spinning!
I was already thinking that I could put on a 165mm blade as for finer cuts, I'll not need to do full depth 60/65mm cuts - just means the scale is off, but I never rely too much on the scale if it's an important cut.
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Post by surfjungle on Nov 4, 2021 13:18:04 GMT -5
I picked up a Bosch 184mm thin kerf 1,0mm/1,6mm - I thought the difference between the plate and kerf is the same so it won't eat into the splinter strip. Unfortunately I tried it today (stuck up in the mountains without my MT55 18 and all it's blades!)... the plate is too thin to be clamped - i thought it was OK, spun up the saw, then the stopped the saw, but the blade kept spinning! I was already thinking that I could put on a 165mm blade as for finer cuts, I'll not need to do full depth 60/65mm cuts - just means the scale is off, but I never rely too much on the scale if it's an important cut. aas Following the remainder of the posts has proven educational. I agree that you recommendations are the smart move therefore I purchased the Festool MFT/3 and HKC 55 with accoutrements for both. For what it is worth, I'll let you know how I get on. As an aside, I followed up with seeing what would be involved in purchasing a Mafell KSS 50. Dictum.com won't sell Mafell products to people residing in Ireland. That is not the case for Mafell products from places like gereedschappro.nl or axminster.co.uk. I refuse to spend 30% or more buying a Mafell product in Ireland. What Dictum said is below. While I won't say that Mafell have lost a customer, they're being silly. I still don't understand why the KSS 40 doesn't officially support Mafell's own rails. A missed opportunity.
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Post by aas on Nov 4, 2021 14:15:06 GMT -5
As an aside, I followed up with seeing what would be involved in purchasing a Mafell KSS 50. Dictum.com won't sell Mafell products to people residing in Ireland. That is not the case for Mafell products from places like gereedschappro.nl or axminster.co.uk. I refuse to spend 30% or more buying a Mafell product in Ireland. What Dictum said is below. While I won't say that Mafell have lost a customer, they're being silly. I still don't understand why the KSS 40 doesn't officially support Mafell's own rails. A missed opportunity. European VAT laws are complicated. Once the threshold has been passed, they are correct in stating that they then have to obtain a VAT number in the country they are sending to, and then the VAT would be paid direct to Ireland in your case.
Mafell are pushing the limits of what is legally allowed with regards to price fixing - I do not approve.
There are other buying options though, try :- www.elektrowerkzeug-shop.de/ Tobias speaks perfect English, very easy to deal with, shipping is fast.
If you say exactly model you want, someone maybe be aware of an offer - depsite Mafell trying their best to fix prices, offers do come up and I do my best to jump each time I see one!
Regarding the KSS40 rail compatibility... the KSS40 works on the special KSS40 crosscut rails and on the normal F-rails - if I remember correctly, you CANNOT do 45 degree cuts on the F-rails - this is because the special KSS40 rail is ultra thin, so the saws pivot point is lower - if you try doing a 45 degree cut on the F-rails - you will damage it - hence it is not officially supported... I use my KSS40 on the F-rails more than on the crosscut rail. You can buy the KSS40 in a kit with an ultra thin flexi-rail in the systainer - i don't have this, I purchased a 'Pure' model and Metabo Li-Hd batts.
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Post by surfjungle on Nov 4, 2021 17:37:14 GMT -5
As an aside, I followed up with seeing what would be involved in purchasing a Mafell KSS 50. Dictum.com won't sell Mafell products to people residing in Ireland. That is not the case for Mafell products from places like gereedschappro.nl or axminster.co.uk. I refuse to spend 30% or more buying a Mafell product in Ireland. What Dictum said is below. While I won't say that Mafell have lost a customer, they're being silly. I still don't understand why the KSS 40 doesn't officially support Mafell's own rails. A missed opportunity. European VAT laws are complicated. Once the threshold has been passed, they are correct in stating that they then have to obtain a VAT number in the country they are sending to, and then the VAT would be paid direct to Ireland in your case.
Mafell are pushing the limits of what is legally allowed with regards to price fixing - I do not approve.
There are other buying options though, try :- www.elektrowerkzeug-shop.de/ Tobias speaks perfect English, very easy to deal with, shipping is fast.
If you say exactly model you want, someone maybe be aware of an offer - depsite Mafell trying their best to fix prices, offers do come up and I do my best to jump each time I see one!
Regarding the KSS40 rail compatibility... the KSS40 works on the special KSS40 crosscut rails and on the normal F-rails - if I remember correctly, you CANNOT do 45 degree cuts on the F-rails - this is because the special KSS40 rail is ultra thin, so the saws pivot point is lower - if you try doing a 45 degree cut on the F-rails - you will damage it - hence it is not officially supported... I use my KSS40 on the F-rails more than on the crosscut rail. You can buy the KSS40 in a kit with an ultra thin flexi-rail in the systainer - i don't have this, I purchased a 'Pure' model and Metabo Li-Hd batts.
aas You should be charging money for advice and analysis on this forum! What confuses me is that SauterShop and Elektrowerkzeug have no issue selling me Mafell but all of a sudden Dictum do? I had a look at Elektrowerkzeug some time ago (probably many months) but either stupidly ignored it or decided against it (for a reason that probably isn't valid as they shop to Ireland). Thanks for raising it again as I will definitely keep an eye on it for future purchases. One very very important benefit of Festool is their 3 year guarantee. I can buy their product from any reputable vendor in Europe and it's Festool Ireland I call if I have a problem with the tool in the 3 years provided I register it within 30 days. I don't need to return it to the website I bought it off. Fein also do something somewhat similar. I bought a Fein drill from axminster.co.uk yet it was registered to Fein's Irish representative shop. While I am aware that Mafell have a 3 year guarantee, I'm unsure if they do something similar with warranties and if their VAT restrictions with certain websites are anything to go by, the Festool warranty reigns supreme. I'm not put off by Mafell and would consider their products in the future but as you said, Festool have a system to integrate with and they also have that very easy to realise warranty (on paper at least). Thanks for the clarity on the KSS 40. I do believe you have helped me make the right choice.
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Post by lincoln on Nov 4, 2021 18:40:34 GMT -5
I've bought a couple of Mafell tools from the UK, without a problem - I've also been told by others that 'We're not allowed to sell Mafell to you'. (I'm in Australia)
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Post by aas on Nov 5, 2021 1:24:28 GMT -5
Mafell 'own' the tools in all the stores - that is they have an agreement to send the tools 'free' to their resellers and once it is sold, the reseller pays Mafell.
This is against the spirit of the anti-competition and price fixing laws, but it's how they are currently getting around it.
As Mafell 'own' the tools, they have far more control over who the resellers can sell them too.
However, Mafell are obliged to and do conform to the laws concerning warranties - you can contact Mafell direct, they will arrange for the tool to get back to them - either through an arranged pick-up (this has happened once for me), or with the reseller arranging a pick-up and sending it to Mafell (this has also happened once for me); you can also pay to send it to Mafell yourself.
Festool tried price fixing several years back and had their hands slapped by the EU with a big fine. Give it time and someone will report Mafell (beleive it or not, the EU has an anonymous website where price fixing can be signaled). If some jobsworth is sat in their office once day with nothing to do, it is the sort of thing that could be investigated, because if everyone started doing this, we would finish with a completely price controlled market for everything...
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Post by nanowire on Dec 29, 2021 8:46:30 GMT -5
I picked up a Bosch 184mm thin kerf 1,0mm/1,6mm - I thought the difference between the plate and kerf is the same so it won't eat into the splinter strip. Unfortunately I tried it today (stuck up in the mountains without my MT55 18 and all it's blades!)... the plate is too thin to be clamped - i thought it was OK, spun up the saw, then the stopped the saw, but the blade kept spinning! I was already thinking that I could put on a 165mm blade as for finer cuts, I'll not need to do full depth 60/65mm cuts - just means the scale is off, but I never rely too much on the scale if it's an important cut. Ordered a few blades from Japan (through amazon.co.jp) recently, the most interesting is a 180 mm 1,2/1,8 mm kerf blade labeled as “Demolition”. Used it for some cuts in boards with imbedded nails and it works well. Also got some 190 mm blades but those will need filing off 1 mm from a point on the inside of the blade gard to fit. Clears the riveting knife fine after “adjustment” with an angel grinder www.amazon.co.jp/Japan-KT-180-Disassembly-Stainless-inches/dp/B0177B59VY?pd_rd_w=DEAov&pf_rd_p=5331e368-bb9e-4a36-87d5-8c413ce1ea2d&pf_rd_r=TGS6K5J9TEDJ2B24G17Y&pd_rd_r=e7691cba-e7db-4c25-a89e-a27335f73ec3&pd_rd_wg=A19sn&pd_rd_i=B0177B59VY&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_m_rp_1_sc
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