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Post by aas on Jul 30, 2021 17:56:19 GMT -5
No real details yet, but Fein has signed up to using Bosch 18v professional batteries :
No news on whether Fein will keep going with it's original tools and batteries that run on 12v or 18v and make Bosch compatible tools too... or if it will ditch their own batteries and go 100% over to Bosch, in which case, no more 12v batts?
Maybe Bosch have a 12v slide battery platform in the pipeline...
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Post by alvychippy on Jul 30, 2021 19:15:26 GMT -5
Silly commercial, not engineering decision, if you'd ask me, but Metabo hasn't been loyal either, by selling out parts of its business to Hikoki...
Never the less end users are set to be suffering battery trademark (and compatibility) issues for years to come it seems.
It's pro$$its over quality, every single time 😒
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Post by richie on Jul 31, 2021 1:06:20 GMT -5
Reading the garb it sounds like Fein will just start offering a Multimaster with Bosch battery option. Makes sense, if you've got an old Bosch you could pick up a bare unit Fein.
..Strange that 5 of the Bosch alliance companies specialise in lighting..
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Post by aas on Jul 31, 2021 8:15:07 GMT -5
..Strange that 5 of the Bosch alliance companies specialise in lighting.. Exactly what I thought! |
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Post by alvychippy on Jul 31, 2021 8:15:33 GMT -5
Let's not ignore the fact, that Bosch and Fein had "invented" starlock system together... Kinda makes sense, but for Fein - quality tool to give in in to Bosch general mediocre range, rather than lottery of CAS tools (some are best, some are DIY range)
Never the less, at least Fein is finally accepting battery fitment war defeat, one platform less is only better for the victims (end consumer)...
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Post by aas on Jul 31, 2021 9:31:05 GMT -5
Never the less, at least Fein is finally accepting battery fitment war defeat, one platform less is only better for the victims (end consumer)... Well said... Bosch do make some good tools and batteries. Shame that Flex and other tool makers haven't gone in with Bosch or Metabo. Maybe we'll finish up with two european battery platforms that will cover pretty much everything. |
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Post by alvychippy on Jul 31, 2021 10:36:52 GMT -5
Never the less, at least Fein is finally accepting battery fitment war defeat, one platform less is only better for the victims (end consumer)... Well said... Bosch do make some good tools and batteries. Shame that Flex and other tool makers haven't gone in with Bosch or Metabo. Maybe we'll finish up with two european battery platforms that will cover pretty much everything. Apart from buzz saws ("Fein mutitool"), their 18v drills- drivers are on a level of most competitors 12v systems, their sanders (poor FesT coppies) only so so, their angle grinders and saws made in CPR, only SDS are traditionally good tools, as rail saws are flawed (all)... Chop (mitre) saws only the ones that made (in Hungary I think) - "Glide" are good, all smaller ones made in CPR, so are their recent (last 10 years or so) routers/trimmers were piss poor, but latest few models made are only OK... Can't think what other tools of Bosch brand are still good. As it comes to batteries they all are made from Chinese components, different brand stickers mean different price, but Bosch's aren't that competitive VS Makita, DeWalt or even CAS (Metabo) in big capacity range... As the trademark squabbles goes, "merger" with Fein is definite win for Bosch, when more or less identical buzz saws were priced lot cheaper, so it'll bring higher quality believe, but ever so many other brands have almost caught up with Fein for quality and performance already. |
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Post by aas on Jul 31, 2021 10:45:26 GMT -5
Can't think what other tools of Bosch brand are still good. I can't really comment - everyone I speak to that uses Bosch is very happy. I have 18v SDS and numerous lasers and scanners - there's not a lot that excites me in their range... but then I'm on well over 8 battery platforms and it annoys me.
I know that the utopia of one battery fits all will never happen, so I work on the basis of one battery for each tool and two of each platforms chargers. Fein 18v batteries are huge though - although I'm unlikely to sell my 4 Fein cordless tools to change them for Bosch battery versions - all I would gain is 1x less charger to carry - not worth it.
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Post by alvychippy on Jul 31, 2021 11:23:31 GMT -5
Correct, if I'm wrong aas Fein batteries are made out of identical components as FesT? (As the FesT buzz- saw is made of Fein drawings) And yes you are absolutely correct, trademark war (battery fitment) will never end unfortunately. |
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Post by aas on Jul 31, 2021 12:53:05 GMT -5
I don't know about Festool batteries and the insides. I know there are links between Fein and Festool (multitool, grinder etc) and between Fein and Bosch (Starlock) - for batteries most are using generic cells, it's just the casings are made differently to screw us all over!
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Post by josespain on Nov 2, 2021 17:44:04 GMT -5
Hi all, just landed here, I’m not too late to add that there are two types of tools manufactures, designers and manufactures. What I mean by that, tools designers, let-s take Fain for the sake of the conversation, they are an amazing design company, many talented engineers coming up with ways to solve issues (safety, ergonómica, productivity, etc) by the time they are done, they have to go out and make the tool, but they don’t have a “electrical engineers” that will design and build a motor, their eng. will speck the motor, look at that others might have for them, or even design a spec to meet their needs, and had that task over to say… Bosch (who has a large manufacturing capability) and deliver the tool. So, there is more Bosch in Fein and Festool that many think, so moving of specking out a battery design, it’s now easier to take a platform an integrate that to the tool. Interning times, but Festool is right around the corner if Fein has a successful launch. Savings is the motivation for this, money and time!
ProCore will soon move to pouch (flat) cells and they needed this as their design has not been optimal for higher densities, CAS will follow suit and offer a multivolt system by this time next year… provided the pouch cells can deliver higher density or Amps, two key factors in the cordless power tool race.
Cheers!
Jose
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Post by aas on Nov 5, 2021 1:31:19 GMT -5
ProCore will soon move to pouch (flat) cells and they needed this as their design has not been optimal for higher densities, CAS will follow suit and offer a multivolt system by this time next year… provided the pouch cells can deliver higher density or Amps, two key factors in the cordless power tool race. Where did you hear this info? |
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Post by hecon5 on Nov 8, 2021 10:06:19 GMT -5
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Post by alvychippy on Nov 8, 2021 10:08:01 GMT -5
hopefully  |
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Post by hecon5 on Nov 8, 2021 11:24:38 GMT -5
Slow'n steady is faster than forwards and recalling everything twice due to fires  |
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