simon
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Post by simon on Jan 25, 2021 17:10:16 GMT -5
Now that UK has officially left EU, does anyone know if extra import charges are made to tools bought in Germany and shipped to UK?
I've read about carriers charging duties at point of delivery?
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Post by aas on Jan 25, 2021 18:25:53 GMT -5
From what I've read, yes. BJ's 'deal' seems to be anything but... A lot of European businesses have simply stopped shipping to the UK; also difficult for us in Europe to buy from UK.
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Post by alvychippy on Jan 25, 2021 18:43:07 GMT -5
Officially no extra duties, as British VAT is inline with EU trade tariff and on overall it should balance out near equal... As aas says, it's more down to the will or the lack off it for the business to comply without emotions, also it'll end need be "paper- re'washed" on both sides of the trade partners to be sure everything is compliant with own governments taxes and duties. For little while it might turn easier for a UK buyer to buy from IE Swiss or Norwegian suppliers as they have same 0 tariff trade deals with both sides, but different tarrifs for goods for different (outside of EU and EEC) countries as IE US, that holds 30% import duty... In short- shouldn't be a problem or extra cost, but emotions will cause biurocracy obstacles especially for the smaller businesses to trade.
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Post by aas on Jan 26, 2021 1:33:43 GMT -5
...yes but shipping companies are adding ridiculous charges for doing the shipping paperwork.
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simon
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Post by simon on Jan 27, 2021 13:40:26 GMT -5
Hmmm, well that leaves me still confused. The answer I had back from a German company selling on Ebay was -
"Thank you for your request. Apart from the usual shipping costs, there are no costs. At least we don't know anything else."
I've got a Jost P1 Dust shroud (inspired by the thread re a 'Heavier duty disc sander':-)) arriving from Germany, hopefully in a couple of days, so will report back what happens.
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Post by aas on Jan 28, 2021 2:40:42 GMT -5
There is a difference between import charges, taxes, tariffs and customs charges, delivery company paperwork charges, etc., - it is a tariff free deal...
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Post by alvychippy on Jan 28, 2021 6:08:06 GMT -5
There is a difference between import charges, taxes, tariffs and customs charges, delivery company paperwork charges, etc., - it is a tariff free deal... In theory, that's what brexit deal was mean to be...
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Post by aas on Jan 28, 2021 6:39:28 GMT -5
Yes but UK already had the 'best' deal in Europe...(i.e. a better deal than the other net contributors) - I'm maybe missing something and it maybe become clear in the coming years, but apart from not being tied to fiscal transparency that came into force this month and benefits less than the 1% - I can't see the benefits. The UK always had the right to send 'immigrants' back - that's smoke and mirrors, likewise for the many 'rules' set by Europe, they were validated by UK government - the UK now has to conform to UK regs for things they want to sell in Europe, but they no longer have a place around the table to negotiate these regs.
The long and short of it in relation to the OP - I think European goods will be more expensive in the long term for UK buyers.
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Post by alvychippy on Jan 28, 2021 12:07:22 GMT -5
Yes but UK already had the 'best' deal in Europe...(i.e. a better deal than the other net contributors) - I'm maybe missing something and it maybe become clear in the coming years, but apart from not being tied to fiscal transparency that came into force this month and benefits less than the 1% - I can't see the benefits. The UK always had the right to send 'immigrants' back - that's smoke and mirrors, likewise for the many 'rules' set by Europe, they were validated by UK government - the UK now has to conform to UK regs for things they want to sell in Europe, but they no longer have a place around the table to negotiate these regs. The long and short of it in relation to the OP - I think European goods will be more expensive in the long term for UK buyers. I get it, believe you me, I get it, where you are coming from too, especially, I wasn't born British, but the whole Brexit pop up, I joined the motion... Why? Well, the promises made, so big, so many, so goooood... All lies! Politicians weren't aware what they promised, but if they were in order to save their backsides - they are lying even more to cover previous lies, hence I get it why Europeans are slightly upset, especially, when lying politicians are blaming EU for the mess... I don't blame sellers in Europe making it bigger deal, than it's worth, the additional paperwork, they'll have to do reporting exports, but people on this side of the fence are going through the same, most don't want to admit- the whole "import" and other business difficulties are because we've been fooled. Unfortunately. I believe simon will be posting back as how it will (hopefully) ended well and how good or bad his conversion to Mafell tools woodworking is going
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Post by aas on Jan 28, 2021 15:42:44 GMT -5
If it's any consolation, we're getting hit with pretty big price rises on everything in Europe (yep, inflation already kicking in from the free money they've been throwing around this last year...) - everything from plasterboard, timber, food - and tools - part of the problem being supply problems. I had a 7 month delay on the top Siemens built in dishwasher last year - one component was missing and the whole BSH group went on pause... same thing going on with Festool at the mo, some of my usual suppliers quoting 60+ day delivery times.
I'm guessing much awaited tools like the cordless P1CC will be delayed. Mafell have already been practising price fixing for a while now; this isn't going to change and will become the norm I fear.
As for the sellers, I don't believe they are marking up to sell to UK, shipping costs have gone up, spurious charges are now being added on, paperwork charges etc.
As far as Brexit goes - politicians lie, it's the default setting. Good politicians exist, they are rare - this in itself is very sad.
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simon
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Post by simon on Jan 28, 2021 17:08:36 GMT -5
Well the P1 dust shroud and boxes of sanding discs arrived today. It was sent Monday morning and arrived this morning. No extra charges/duties/vat to pay: the total was under £135, the figure that's been mentioned as in someway significant. I hear what you guys are saying re the issues around Brexit. I'm Australian by nationality, though lived in the UK since 1970 (never fussed about getting a UK passport, though did consider an EU one for a while ), in my view the vote to leave was a mistake, and born out of a combination of mendacious and misguided reasoning. My rule of thumb re long term planning (long term planning! ) for the human race is that + and x, work far better than - and ÷, i.e. for the future of humanity we're far better cooperating with each other than competing with each other. Looking at the world today, and contemplating the arc of history that's got us here, I'd suggest it might be time for a new perspective that incorporates the +s and xs. One simple step to kick start actual real life long term planning that on a basic level passes on an improving status quo to our children, would be to follow the example of Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. I watched a conversation on you tube called 'The Inner Compass, Tomas Björkman', which details what happened in that period, and I reckon the rest of the world could do worse than follow that example. The low esteem people hold their politicians, reflects both our own inadequacies, as well as the deficiency of the system with which we choose to be governed. Anyhooo, thought I'd share that - as this stuff is as relevant here, as it is anywhere. Back to the P1 system - if I haven't posted a review of it in action, could someone give me a nudge?
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Post by alvychippy on Jan 28, 2021 19:18:42 GMT -5
Will nudge, pinky- promise 😁
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