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Post by Tom Gensmer on Jan 28, 2014 23:17:45 GMT -5
For the Guide Track 770 (204378), it looks like the user gets an expanded cross cut capacity of up to 770mm/30.25" at full depth.
A few questions about this accessory:
With the increased track length, do you get an expanded miter range in that direction? I'd have to think that you could miter well past 70 degrees? Might be handy......
How unwieldy is the saw with this track attached? Would a guy want to mount the Mushroom Shaped Handle (201451) to help pick up some of the weight?
With an expanded miter range, is this handy for some seat cuts in rafter framing?
Is there a specific application this track is designed for?
How does this accessory compare to using the Angle Fence with a F80 guide rail?
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Post by 7 on Jan 28, 2014 23:40:14 GMT -5
I would love a 30" connected track for my KSS 300, wish they made one for it. The 300 feels almost identical with the rail connected and removed. I know 12 & 30 inches are drastically different but I wouldn't anticipate it feeling unwieldy. Wright will have to comment though because he owns the 770 rail (I think anyway)
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jan 29, 2014 13:33:10 GMT -5
Yes I own the 770 track I use it all the time for cutting chipboard flooring 600 and have also used to cut kitchen worktops to size. When using you do have to make sure you are pushed against the stops then lower the track. There is no need for the mushroom handle for the saw as your spare hand is used to hold the rail down. As the rail is a bit bigger you can't swing it about the same as the 400 rail but is in no way awkward to manage. In the uk when we do first floor joists the flooring will go straight on before the roof is on so we have a platform to work on. The pile of flooring is stacked as a single pile on the scaffold and I'm able to use rail quiet easily also at a 45 you can cut a 600mm wide board. The angles on the rail are marked up to 60 degrees. You can push the adjustable stop past 60 in one direction but not the other I wouldnt use the rail for seat cuts over 60 degrees on a roof. It would be just too big. The rail comes into its own when doing chipboard flooring it simply saves on having to pick up a rail then a saw separately. Unless you do a lot of chipboard flooring or cutting half sheet goods the F rails and and F-WA is perfectly good enough
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Jan 29, 2014 19:17:12 GMT -5
Interesting, thanks for the insights!!
Is the practice of using 600mm chipboard sublooring common across Europe, or is that building style peculiar to England? In North America I typically use 4'x8' 19mm Tongue and Groove CDX plywood for subfloor.
I had a hunch that the 770 track was designed with a particular task in mind. That being said, I wonder what other tasks it might be well suited to?
For residential roof framing, typically I'll work with another carpenter, one guy in the rafters with a saw to make minor adjustments, and another guy working at the cut station making all of the primary cuts. Luckily, most of my projects are 1-story roofs, so it's pretty easy to hand boards up and down.
Interesting that the miter gauge is marked to 60 degrees, but can be positioned further out. I feel like that could be handy for certain tasks, perhaps cutting gable end lap siding?
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jan 30, 2014 13:55:18 GMT -5
In the uk most new houses will get 22mm 600x2400 chipboard flooring with joists at 600 centers. Not sure if common practice in Europe. Most new houses in the uk are glorified jigsaw puzzles. In the uk a lot of the major house builders will erect the roofs down at ground level then the whole roof is craned up into position. The reason they do is simply health and safety
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Post by 7 on Dec 1, 2014 23:00:47 GMT -5
I forgot about this thread. I bought the KSS400 earlier this year and soon after ordered the 770 track. I like it for cutting particle shelving for closets. Not a huge advantage over using a plunge saw with a short length of rail but it is a little bit faster. The 770 track is comfortable to use especially since it is supported on the material being cut most of the time but isn't so long that it causes any problems anyway. I haven't used it a lot but the bit that I have used it has been good. Just wanted to mention it incase anyone needs additional information on this accessory.
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Post by jonathan on Dec 2, 2014 17:44:35 GMT -5
wrightwoodwork & 7, as someone who has the longer crosscut rail, how square would you say the cuts still are at the max length? And how reliable/repeatable is that result?
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Dec 2, 2014 19:01:32 GMT -5
The cuts at the very worst are +/-1 mm off and that is usually cause of not placing the adjustable stop firmly in the indent or when placing the rail down and then sliding the tail to the mark and having the anti slip down causing a bit of friction. Where you really want to place the stops against the edge then place straight down and cut. I use mine for mainly the flooring so am mainly cutting at 90. 90 degree cuts are fairly constant and most of the time I'm usually half a millimeter. Angle cuts tend to be a one off so repeats tend not to matter.
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Post by 7 on Dec 3, 2014 0:50:34 GMT -5
wrightwoodwork & 7, as someone who has the longer crosscut rail, how square would you say the cuts still are at the max length? And how reliable/repeatable is that result? I have never detected anything but perfectly square. Many of my cuts for shelving are cut at a slight angle for out of square framed walls but the ones that are 90 deg are perfect when checked with a woodpeckers square.
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Post by Mark on May 24, 2015 9:16:41 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me where I would get a replacement angle indicator for my 400 track
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 24, 2015 10:09:30 GMT -5
Hi Mark - where are you from? If in NA I would call Timberwolf Tools.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 24, 2015 13:58:04 GMT -5
Also if uk based contact nma and ask for Nathan and he will sort you out
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Post by Mark on May 24, 2015 14:45:19 GMT -5
Thanks for that. I'm in Ireland and the guy I bought off doesn't seem to be in business anymore. I can get it from the UK easily enough. Thanks again
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Post by mick on May 25, 2015 4:22:40 GMT -5
City saw Dublin 018383935 Frank Clark cork 0214542222
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