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Post by aas on Dec 28, 2020 14:21:07 GMT -5
From time to time I have to do 45 degree 'folding' joins in wood panels (usually 22mm) whereby the grain needs to wrap around the corner.
I found using the Makita 2x 18v DSP 600 I was getting better results than the MT55 18v... so I tried the inevitable - the Makita 1,45mm thin kerf blade in the Mafell. Only problem, the blade is 165mm, so it's not 'recommended', but asides from the slight catching on the door while fitting, it clears the saw casing in use.
I am now getting the same good results on the Mafell, so after all, it wasn't the saw but the blade! What can not be done with the thin kerf blade, is a slight trim up, i.e taking off 1mm... the blade will flex and ruin the cut.
(As an asides, for my solid surface folding work, I got the TS75 due to the thicker blade - I could not get the precise cuts with the MT55 (230v).)
So there is now no point to keeping the Makita cordless plunge, it's a decent saw, but a couple of annoying things - the plunge sticks down - I've had to copiously oil it; 2x batteries is a bit of a pain, can't run on the Mafell tracks... the plus points - variable speed, shame this is not on the Mafell.
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Post by keylow on Apr 3, 2021 16:54:57 GMT -5
Have you tried a thicker blade (Festool or Freud) in the MT55 for those trimming runs?
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Post by aas on Apr 3, 2021 18:34:50 GMT -5
Yes the Mafell blade is thicker and works well, the extra thin Makita is just past it's limits for that. Also tried Festool 2.2mm blades, and Key blades - same spec as Mafell, but don't last long.
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Post by fuzzylogic on Apr 4, 2021 2:48:28 GMT -5
ass: thanks for posting. Whilst I'll never be doing the sort of work you do, I 'hoover' up this sort of information for a 'just-in-case' scenarios...
I'm aware that the Festool TS55 has variable speed, but I'm wondering what you use if need variable speed, and, for what reasons.
Appreciate may have been covered in other threads, but I cannot always keep up...
Cheers Richard (UK)
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Post by kraftt on Apr 4, 2021 7:43:23 GMT -5
... I am now getting the same good results on the Mafell, so after all, it wasn't the saw but the blade! What can not be done with the thin kerf blade, is a slight trim up, i.e taking off 1mm... the blade will flex and ruin the cut.
(As an asides, for my solid surface folding work, I got the TS75 due to the thicker blade - I could not get the precise cuts with the MT55 (230v).) ... I’ve had a Makita 28T (165) blade in my MT55 for misc odd cuts for a while now, just sort of a default for general work, and used it recently on some mdf for 45º’s to mock up newel post samples for a client visual. Noticed depth of cut, type of sacrificial surface, mattered a bit even on mdf. What you’ve noted has always had me wondering if it’s more about types of blade coatings, tooth geometry interacting (or not interacting) with variations in material like surface finishes, resins used, etc. etc. between similar materials yet different mfgs.
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Post by aas on Apr 4, 2021 10:31:24 GMT -5
ass: thanks for posting. Whilst I'll never be doing the sort of work you do, I 'hoover' up this sort of information for a 'just-in-case' scenarios... I'm aware that the Festool TS55 has variable speed, but I'm wondering what you use if need variable speed, and, for what reasons. Appreciate may have been covered in other threads, but I cannot always keep up... Cheers Richard (UK) I always used the Makita 2x18v for variable speed cuts - this is mainly plexiglass/acrylic sheet for temporary windows etc., I don't need do cut this sort of material often, but it needs slow blade speed!.. It was also pretty good for quiet cuts, amazing now much quieter the saw is at low speed.
Occasionally I had to trim a door or similar in an underground car park, it resonates so much, the tourists would quickly start complaining, especially those over the car park. 2x 18v Makita at minimum speed, with the 2x 18v vac at minimum speed - so little noise, no need for ear muffs. The Makita has now been sold, the vac may go too.
I quite like the idea of the Bosch 18v plunge and Metabo 2x18v vac - mmm... never happy!
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Post by aas on Apr 4, 2021 10:42:21 GMT -5
... I am now getting the same good results on the Mafell, so after all, it wasn't the saw but the blade! What can not be done with the thin kerf blade, is a slight trim up, i.e taking off 1mm... the blade will flex and ruin the cut.
(As an asides, for my solid surface folding work, I got the TS75 due to the thicker blade - I could not get the precise cuts with the MT55 (230v).) ... I’ve had a Makita 28T (165) blade in my MT55 for misc odd cuts for a while now, just sort of a default for general work, and used it recently on some mdf for 45º’s to mock up newel post samples for a client visual. Noticed depth of cut, type of sacrificial surface, mattered a bit even on mdf. What you’ve noted has always had me wondering if it’s more about types of blade coatings, tooth geometry interacting (or not interacting) with variations in material like surface finishes, resins used, etc. etc. between similar materials yet different mfgs. Is that the super thin kerf too?.. 1.45mm I think. The coating must make a difference, these blades have an almost Teflon coating on - I was thinking of leaving one in the sun and frying and egg on it to see, but then realised it has a hole in the middle!
Trying different blades just confirms how good the standard Mafell blade is - it will cut pretty much anything, including limited ripping. I remember what got me started on the Mafell rabbit hole was literally smoke pouring out of a 40mm bit of pine I was trying to cut with a TS55 - standard blade - all this after spending 10 minutes trying to jig up something to hold the rail on some thin stock - balanced across the vac and some systainers... then have to move the rail down to continue the rip... the customer came to check with all the smoke!.. (no I assure you this is normal, it's the new German way of sealing timber as you cut - a kind of Germanic 'Shou Sugi Ban')... and I thought - there has to be a better way - I've spent years plowing Makita and DeWalt saws through timber without even counting the teeth and never almost set fire to a batten!
I'd even ignored the P1CC going 'full-on Festool system' - couldn't get rid of the Carvex fast enough, the TS55 was next - and then I started emptying my pockets on Mafell, haven't looked back! :-)
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Post by kraftt on Apr 4, 2021 20:45:59 GMT -5
Maybe it’s the fishtailing that non rail saws allow for opposed to a track saw being held to a rail, a truly straight line, and forfeits some of that give & take making it more difficult for the blade to self correct/work its way back on line.
I think you have the black coated Makita MAX ones, 56T coated with Fluorine. (the black on the Tenryu’s are also PTFE). The thin kerf Makita blades I bought were the A-99960 ATB (last one I have, may need to try the black next) has a very glossy clear (durable) finish I’m not thrilled with. Just beater blades really, whenever I find something on sale.
For material that calls for ATF geometry I read it helps with the stability of cut when they add in a raker tooth to the mix (ATAFR / ATFR)
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Post by aas on Apr 6, 2021 13:16:08 GMT -5
The Makita blades I have are light blue...
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Post by fuzzylogic on Apr 7, 2021 6:57:17 GMT -5
Thanks ass & kraftt.
Always good to be reminded of this that or the other.
Bit concerned though: it's often said that you can never have enough clamps - now, it seems, you cannot have enough saw blades of different colours - besides tooth count / teeth configurations... Sigh
Richard (UK)
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Post by josespain on Jul 22, 2021 14:34:50 GMT -5
Guys, I bought a Makita HS006GZ And it came it a crazy looking “sharkskin” balde. I was cutting so nicely I ordered a 165/45T balde for the Mafell, now I have not turn it much but it is cutting like a charm. Makita does put effort into their baldes, and this one is a winner in my book!
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Post by alvychippy on Jul 22, 2021 17:12:25 GMT -5
Guys, I bought a Makita HS006GZ And it came it a crazy looking “sharkskin” balde. I was cutting so nicely I ordered a 165/45T balde for the Mafell, now I have not turn it much but it is cutting like a charm. Makita does put effort into their baldes, and this one is a winner in my book! What blade (model number) is that exactly please?
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Post by josespain on Jul 24, 2021 19:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by alvychippy on Jul 25, 2021 2:07:33 GMT -5
🍻 thank you sir! Actual Japanese blade, not surprised it's good, rare for Makita or any other tool makers these days.
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