ramin
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Post by ramin on Dec 20, 2020 6:02:29 GMT -5
I installed the third party miter track by in2tools this weekend and so far the results are pretty satisfying. The track bolts to the dovetails like the real erika rails, but the bolts are placed at the bottom instead of the top. I wanted to use an Incra Miter 1000 with the rails. While that does work, when you have a long fence attached to the Incra Miter you don't have enough support because the miter rail is too narrow. It tips over basically. So I decided to create a sled with some t-track and film faced birch ply. The Incra Miter 1000 is fixed in the Incra combination track. And below the panel I have a large slider that goes into the miter track. So the whole panel moves when cutting. After creating the sled there was still some minor tipping. The balance wasn't completely right. I didn't want to reduce the width of the sled though. I remembered I had the brackets from the original sliding table and created a quick support rail for the sled to rest on. Now it's very solid. I have a comfortable 75cm of cross cutting capacity with the sled. I somewhat regret not getting the 150cm rail because that would easily give me 100cm of cross cutting. Not that I need it right now. But I might get the long rail in the future. You can even attach them to each other if wanted. Not sure how useful that would be. I'm quite happy with this setup, it's very accurate. In my opinion it's better than the Erika sliding table. It's also cheaper to get the in2tools rail and make your own sled. I never got precise results with original sliding table, I think because the table rail had quite a big bow in the middle which affected my cuts. If anyone has any questions I'm happy to try and answer.
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Post by charel09 on Dec 20, 2020 7:01:16 GMT -5
not sure what the benefit of the in2tools track is in your setup with the Incra
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ramin
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Post by ramin on Dec 20, 2020 7:25:25 GMT -5
Well, I see lots of benefits personally - as said, the original mafell sliding table wasn't accurate enough and not very consistent due to the bow in the rail. (this is a common problem, i've see some other people commenting on this on woodworking forums) - the original mafell universal fence wasn't sitting flush with the table, because it wasn't properly supported. see pictures here on this blog that describes the problem holzwerkerblog.de/2016/12/04/umbau-der-mafell-erika-teil-3-incra-ablaenganschlag/I did modify the existing sliding table like in the link above, but in the end, my cuts weren't consistent enough. And it was way to fiddely to work with. - this sled gives good support when I'm cutting panels, now that I've added the brackets. - The t-track gives me good clamping options. Especially for smaller pieces. This was always a problem for me. I'm planning on adding one on the lefts side as well. - the incra miter is easily calibrated to the sawblade. - when not using the sled I can use other jigs. How are you planning to use the track?
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Post by brice on Dec 20, 2020 19:27:32 GMT -5
I can't see the photos and am intrigued.....not sure why but could you share with a different method?
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Post by fuzzylogic on Dec 20, 2020 20:11:34 GMT -5
ramin : Thank you posting. Very informative, and seems could be a must have accessory for some people who have similar issues to those you experienced. As an aside: I came across the online translator DeepL, which translated German to English very successfully; so was able to read the article you referred to. However, was unable to download DeepL onto my 32bit XP SP3 computer which I use most of the time (Don't ask!)- guess need to try on my 64bit Windows 7 and 64bit Windows 10 machines? Also, the images downloaded perfectly. Richard (UK)
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Post by aas on Dec 21, 2020 1:42:31 GMT -5
If anyone has any questions I'm happy to try and answer. Thanks for the write up.
I must admit, when first seeing your pictures, I thought 'what's the point'... but after reading the blog linked above - here if you missed it :
- and after reading the questions/replies; also thinking about what a pain the sliding table is, I do get the point!
A couple of questions : is it possible to fit the In2tools rail, and then fit the sliding carriage rail to that? (I have a plan for the Mafell sliding table!)
Also - would it not be better for the sliding carriage you have made, to extend past the blade for both zero clearance and to catch off cuts?.. I appreciate it would be a bit more complicated to build like this.
What adapter have you used in the T-track for your sliding carriage?.. is there any slack/movement?
Thanks again.
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Post by ramin on Dec 21, 2020 3:01:47 GMT -5
I can't see the photos and am intrigued.....not sure why but could you share with a different method? i'vr tried a another hosting service. this one should work.
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Post by ramin on Dec 21, 2020 3:15:36 GMT -5
Yes you can, like I said in my original post. You can attach the brackets that come with the sliding carriage rail to the in2tools rail since it's dovetailed like an original erika rail. In my case I used the mafell sliding table brackets as support for my sled. Maybe you didn't see the picture in my original post. I've changed hosting services, hopefully it will show up now. But here's a close-up. Indeed, I'm planning to do this as a next step. I'm using a 60 cm miter slider made by Incra. you adjust the slack with washers that expand according to how much you tighten them. So there is no slack. I've ordered a longer slider (88cm) from banggood so that the rail extends the whole length of my sled which will give better support and hopefully make me able to extend the sled even a bit more. Because if you extend the rail too much to the back or front there is some play because the slider is not sitting in the rail enough to remain tight. The 70 cm cross cut capacity I mentioned I get without any slack.
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Post by remdds on Dec 21, 2020 15:23:52 GMT -5
This seems like a very good option for some. I have always been a little curious why Mafell doesn't put some kind of mitre slot in at the factory. Did you buy your rail from the company directly or is there a US distributor that you know of??? I might like to explore this idea myself.
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Post by ramin on Dec 21, 2020 16:38:30 GMT -5
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Post by glynnco on Dec 21, 2020 17:13:43 GMT -5
I emailed GereedschapPro several weeks ago about shipping to the US. The response back indicated that, no, they do not currently ship to the states nor do they anticipate doing so in the near future. The gentleman mentioned that there had been some discussion with TSO about getting these over here but that nothing had come of that so far.
I'm very interested in one 1M and two 1.5M rails. Does anyone have an idea how this might be accomplished?
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Post by aas on Dec 22, 2020 14:34:40 GMT -5
I'm very interested in one 1M and two 1.5M rails. Does anyone have an idea how this might be accomplished? Take a holiday in Holland?..
Even their shipping costs from Holland to France are high (maybe they've changed, not checked recently) - shipping to the US would be crazy - the holiday will be cheaper.
I try not to order from the US, but when forced to, with shipping charges and customs it often doubles the cost.
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