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Post by GhostFist on Aug 31, 2015 18:43:28 GMT -5
He's just speaking Canadian
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Post by thedude306 on Aug 31, 2015 20:56:54 GMT -5
What I don't get is the guy is fairly honest about the whole thing. This is good, REALLY good, this is bad....REALLY bad.
I am sure that all machines have some areas that more money could be spent on them to make them better. Or that some areas are just made well enough. I would LOVE to see the same on Ghostfist MT55!
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Post by jm on Aug 31, 2015 22:08:53 GMT -5
What I don't get is the guy is fairly honest about the whole thing. This is good, REALLY good, this is bad....REALLY bad. I am sure that all machines have some areas that more money could be spent on them to make them better. Or that some areas are just made well enough. I would LOVE to see the same on Ghostfist MT55! Agreed, he was pretty candid most of it, including praising Festool on their machining quality and some engineered features, but equally harsh on some other parts. If you watch his Hilti SDS review, he is more impressed with it than this saw, but perhaps he has a better understanding of how it works as well, as there were a few oversights on the first part of the review. I made the challenge/suggestion that someone tear apart a TS55 EQ saw, to see if these underwhelming parts are as a result of cost cutting, but no one has responded.
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Post by holmz on Aug 31, 2015 22:51:25 GMT -5
... made the challenge/suggestion that someone tear apart a TS55 EQ saw, to see if these underwhelming parts are as a result of cost cutting, but no one has responded. Their heads probably looked like a scene out of "Mars Attacks".
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Post by toomanytoys on Sept 3, 2015 11:10:30 GMT -5
I spent some time yesterday going through his videos and reading the threads over at the FOG and I think Holmz hit the appropriate "nail on the head" by using the Mars Attacks video.
He's not a pro reviewer for the field and he's not pronouncing his review is infallible. His explaining his viewpoint, taking correction for things he does not correctly determine and leaves the viewer to interpret what they want to from his analysis. Some of the FOG guys are apoplectic and it's hysterical to me.
I spent 25 years managing R&D product testing within the company I worked for with reports also going to our corporate customers. I used to say "If you want good news don't call me" as my viewpoint was we had to find and identify problems with our products before our customers did. Over that time I had upset a few engineers who thought I was too critical about their "children", including one going to our R&D VP and having a conference call about my denial of testing his product. I was always upheld. So maybe this hits home with me more then others, but I enjoyed the reviews and look forward to more of them.
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Post by holmz on Sept 3, 2015 17:23:56 GMT -5
... I spent 25 years managing R&D product testing within the company I worked for with reports also going to our corporate customers. I used to say "If you want good news don't call me" as my viewpoint was we had to find and identify problems with our products before our customers did. Over that time I had upset a few engineers who thought I was too critical about their "children", including one going to our R&D VP and having a conference call about my denial of testing his product. I was always upheld. So maybe this hits home with me more then others, but I enjoyed the reviews and look forward to more of them. Most everyone wants the benefit of the R&D, and there is Big R and little r and Big D and little d. There is often a push to lower costs from R&D going to r&D, then to r&d. Usually the words are a variation of, "We don't need it perfect, it just has to work".
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Sept 3, 2015 22:35:43 GMT -5
The name calling and ridiculous comments put me off a little. He does this for entertainment and he always notes that he may not get things right and will make corrections or debate topics. I think someone on FOG made the comment that no one ever gets upset when another brand of tool is torn apart. But you touch a FT and oh my gosh -- blasphemy! At the end of the day the TS saw has held up for years and thousands of people own and use it -- and that is great. It does not mean that it is perfection in engineering and materials. Many people making comments I would bet never even use their tools - they just acquire to have them as some kind of trophy and if anyone makes a point that knocks it a little they get defensive. There was another thread about FT haters that was also funny -- people cannot understands why anyone would ever be critical of a FT. I own tons of the green and like what I have, but I like my Mafell too and think that it is superior in many ways to my FT equivalents. I would not say that Mafell is perfect either - heck, I already broke a jigsaw once and that has never happened with any other brand in my entire woodworking life.
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Post by holmz on Sept 3, 2015 22:52:39 GMT -5
I can watch the Canadian for hours. There was one no a Cuisinart I saw earlier. It was great.
Even F1 drivers occasionally throw their helmet down and kick the car in disgust at the car, themselves, etc.
FT Should get an Olympic gold medal in marketing.
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Post by heiko on Sept 4, 2015 13:07:35 GMT -5
I See a lot of TS55 on constructionsites in Germany and It's a real workinghorse and not known for failures. This is the reason why I think the Canadian get wrong with his valuation.
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Post by GhostFist on Sept 4, 2015 18:31:43 GMT -5
Ive yet to see one fail here in canada
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Post by charley1968 on Sept 4, 2015 21:17:38 GMT -5
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Post by holmz on Sept 4, 2015 21:33:09 GMT -5
I See a lot of TS55 on constructionsites in Germany and It's a real workinghorse and not known for failures. This is the reason why I think the Canadian get wrong with his valuation. IMO... pointing out the weak parts is not getting it wrong. If the saw does not fail, then engineering it to be better when it doesn't need to be, is somewhat of a waste. But most things are not over engineered when maximizing profits is involved. If he said that the saw would fail (soon) because of some part, and it doesn't... then that is inaccurate. I would really like to see him open an MT55...
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Post by heiko on Sept 5, 2015 0:39:41 GMT -5
Y es but didn't he say that this saw is not build for use on a constructionsite?
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Post by holmz on Sept 5, 2015 1:56:21 GMT -5
Yes but didn't he say that this saw is not build for use on a constructionsite? Probably he did. However one could probably say the same thing just about anywhere where English is spoken. Unless the construction site workers have them, then they are not used. So perhaps where he is in Canada it is Dewalt or Makita or Bosch?? Today I saw that there is about 15 meters of Makita lighted banner at the local hardware store. Some of it is probably the mind set of the workers. If the tool is just a tool, then what does it matter?... You use it and throw it away. You have to either get a more expensive tool because it make life easier, make you more money, or some other reasoning. So for a business one could work out whether it makes more money, less risk, or some other business case. if it is a career, then the tools are perceived differently than if it is just a job. If all the other workers use yellow, then yellow is an obvious choice. I do not know how it is on the majority of construction sites in Canada, but I suspect that Canada, the US and Australia are more alike than not. I guess it is whether it is built for construction site use, or perceived not to be built for it. It is probably easier to have a psychologist youtube on that subject. That could be a long video.
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Post by GhostFist on Sept 5, 2015 8:20:25 GMT -5
In my union local I was the first to use festool, then everyone was using Dewalt. Now festool is showing up more and more but makita is the king whiles I'm off on my lonesome with Mafell and metabo. By the time they're smarten up I'll be on the next best thing a good 5 years ahead of them
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