heiko
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Post by heiko on Aug 22, 2020 15:59:35 GMT -5
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Post by shokunin on Aug 22, 2020 23:46:22 GMT -5
Saw looks great!
Can't wait to get my hands on one.
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Post by aas on Aug 23, 2020 15:44:05 GMT -5
That's decent depth of cut from a 165mm blade!
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Post by huntsgemein on Aug 23, 2020 20:00:27 GMT -5
Can't see any mention of 10.0 AH LiHDs. Do you have a link please? I had an inkling that something similar was coming, but had assumed that it would be a more evolutionary 9.0/4.5 AH release. Can't wait to get my hands on a clutch of single-row, lightweight 5.0 AH batteries for the drill range.
Of even more interest to me is that Bobbie Bosch is joining the CAS!! It makes sense (sort of) in that Bosch is the other major marketer of Li-HD type battery packs, BUT with their own proprietary format & incompatible mounting system They also sell bigger batteries (12.0 AH) in a 3-row format.
I'm only guessing here, but maybe they'll be selling interface adapters between their own ProCore mount & that of the CAS. Given that they've spent huge amounts (billions?) of R&D Euros on developing their own unique range of cordless Pro tools, I can't think of any other way they can make their respective ranges cross-compatible. Not to mention the million or so pre-existing customer base of Bosch blue cordless users who don't want to suddenly possess redundant power tools by virtue of a different battery interface.
It may no longer be the case, given competition from Far Eastern manufacturers, but Robert Bosch was for many years the largest Cordless power tool manufacturer in the world. So to have them join the cordless alliance is huge news. Metabo also mentioned that there will be no less than 25 CAS "partners" by the end of the year, meaning that there's yet more in the pipeline & the whole partnership is going ahead in leaps & bounds.
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Post by aas on Aug 24, 2020 4:50:25 GMT -5
Of even more interest to me is that Bobbie Bosch is joining the CAS!! Did I miss something?.. where did you see this? |
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Post by huntsgemein on Aug 24, 2020 4:53:16 GMT -5
www.metabo.com/de/de/info/aktuell/presse/cas-initiator-metabo-begruesst-bosch-akku-allianz/My schoolboy German isn't the best, but from what I can glean from the press release they'll be running "parallel" ranges within the CAS. What that EXACTLY means I'm unsure, but it will only work if each battery interface becomes cross-compatible, presumably with adapters? After all, the key premise behind the whole Cordless Alliance is "100% compatibility" isn't it? Is your "SvenskaDeutsch" any better than my pidgin AngloDeutsch? Gute Ideen setzen sich durch: CAS-Initiator Metabo begrĂŒĂt das von Bosch vorgestellte, zweite herstellerĂŒbergreifende Akku-System am Markt NĂŒrtingen, Juli 2020: Metabo als Initiator des Cordless Alliance System (CAS) freut sich nach eigenen Angaben ĂŒber das am Mittwoch von Bosch Power Tools vorgestellte, zweite herstellerĂŒbergreifende Akku-System fĂŒr Elektrowerkzeuge und andere elektrisch angetriebene, handgefĂŒhrte Maschinen. âDass Bosch jetzt seine Akku-Technologie ebenfalls fĂŒr andere Hersteller öffnet, ist fĂŒr uns zum Einen eine BestĂ€tigung, dass wir mit unserem vor zwei Jahren vorgestellten, weltweit ersten herstellerĂŒbergreifenden Akku-System CAS auf dem richtigen Weg sindâ, sagt Horst Garbrecht, CEO des CAS-Initiators Metabo. âUnd zum Zweiten werden so die Profis in Industrie und Handwerk noch schneller verstehen, welche Vorteile ein herstellerĂŒbergreifendes System bietet. Gute Ideen setzen sich eben durch.â CAS startete im Sommer 2018 mit neun Herstellern von Elektrowerkzeugen fĂŒr professionelle Anwender. Inzwischen zĂ€hlen 17 Hersteller zur CAS-Kooperation: Metabo, Rothenberger, Mafell, EisenblĂ€tter, Collomix, Haaga, Electrostar (Starmix), Eibenstock, Steinel, Rokamat, Elried/edding, Birchmeier, fischer, Prebena, Cembre, Pressfit und Jöst abrasives. Mit vier weiteren, sehr bekannten Herstellern sind die entsprechenden VertrĂ€ge bereits unterzeichnet. Sie werden in den nĂ€chsten Monaten mit Produkten am Markt sichtbar werden. Das kurzfristige Ziel von CAS ist es, bis zum Jahresende 25 Hersteller in einem durchgĂ€ngigen, zu 100 Prozent kompatiblen Akku-System zu vereinigen. Das Portfolio im 18-Volt-Bereich umfasst aktuell mehr als 160 Maschinen und GerĂ€te. Damit deckt CAS nicht nur alle gĂ€ngigen Elektrowerkzeuge ab, sondern bietet mit den meisten Speziallösungen weltweit fĂŒr viele Anwendungen Expertenmaschinen, die Profis unterschiedlicher Gewerke fĂŒr ihre tĂ€gliche Arbeit brauchen. âDas ist es, was ein herstellerĂŒbergreifendes System ausmacht. Maximale Anwendungsvielfalt mit einem System abzudecken. Wir sehen uns als System der besten Elektrowerkzeug-Spezialisten am Markt â mit Maschinen, die exakt auf die BedĂŒrfnisse der Handwerker zugeschnitten sind und deshalb die ProduktivitĂ€t und QualitĂ€t der tĂ€glichen Arbeit deutlich voranbringenâ, erklĂ€rt Garbrecht. Der Vorteil eines herstellerĂŒbergreifenden Akku-Systems liege auf der Hand, sagt der Metabo-Chef. âMit CAS haben die Anwender die doppelte Freiheit: Sie können die VorzĂŒge des kabelfreien Arbeitens genieĂen â und dabei trotzdem zwischen verschiedenen Herstellern wĂ€hlen, ohne deswegen eine Vielzahl unterschiedlicher Akkupacks und LadegerĂ€te mit sich herumschleppen zu mĂŒssen. Wo CAS draufsteht, passt einfach alles zusammen â immer.â Nicht nur die GerĂ€te unterschiedlicher Hersteller sind kompatibel, sondern auch die unterschiedlichen Akku-Generationen: Der neueste Akku mit 8,0 Amperestunden KapazitĂ€t und bis zu 1.600 Watt Leistung passt genauso auf alle CAS-Maschinen wie unser erster Lithium-Ionen-Akku aus dem Jahr 2009. So können sich die Profis auf ihre Arbeit konzentrieren â und die Zahl der hundertprozentig kompatiblen Speziallösungen innerhalb des CAS-Systems wird schnell weiter wachsen. * * * Diese Presseinformation samt Bildern finden Sie auch im Internet unter www.metabo.com/de/de/info/aktuell/presse und www.cc-stuttgart.de/presseportal* * * Zum 2018 als weltweit erstes herstellerĂŒbergreifendes Akku-System im Elektrowerkzeug-Markt gegrĂŒndeten Cordless Alliance System (CAS) gehören aktuell 17 Hersteller mit mehr als 160 Maschinen. Vier weitere namhafte Hersteller haben den Kooperationsvertrag unterzeichnet und werden in den nĂ€chsten Monaten Produkte auf Basis von CAS auf den Markt bringen. Foto: CAS / Metabo Alle Fotos zur journalistischen Nutzung mit Nennung der Quellenangabe zum Abdruck frei. Ăber CAS Das Cordless Alliance System (CAS) ist ein von dem NĂŒrtinger Elektrowerkzeug-Hersteller Metabo initiiertes, herstellerĂŒbergreifendes Akku-System. CAS ging im Sommer 2018 mit neun Elektrowerkzeug- und Maschinen-Herstellern aus verschiedenen Bereichen an den Start. Aktuell sind die Unternehmen Metabo, Rothenberger, Mafell, EisenblĂ€tter, Collomix, Haaga, Electrostar (Starmix), Eibenstock, Steinel, Rokamat, Elried/edding, Birchmeier, fischer, Prebena, Cembre, Pressfit und Jöst abrasives Teil von CAS. Innerhalb dieses in der Branche einmaligen Akku-Systems sind alle Maschinen der CAS-Partner mit einem Akku zu hundert Prozent kompatibel und beliebig kombinierbar. Auf Basis der leistungsstarken Metabo LiHD-Akku-Technologie versammelt CAS die unterschiedlichsten Gewerke unter einem Dach und bietet professionellen Anwendern so die Freiheit, fernab der Steckdose mit Standard- und Spezialprodukten verschiedener Hersteller mobil und flexibel zu arbeiten. Mehr zu CAS unter www.cordless-alliance-system.de.
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Post by mafellme on Aug 24, 2020 5:39:56 GMT -5
Of even more interest to me is that Bobbie Bosch is joining the CAS!!
Wow! I didn't see that coming. That's HUGE news!
Good for powertool customers, good for (partially) shared R&D, and good for the environment (less redundant batteries, tools, and chargers, WRT incompatible platforms).
Only yesterday, I remarked that I'd like to see the CAS expand much more:
If Bosch are jumping on-board, then maybe there is some hope that Fein will, too...
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heiko
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Post by heiko on Aug 24, 2020 6:30:35 GMT -5
No Bosch starts is own CAS but with partners that are not very interesting and diveded in the two Bosch Systems Professional and DIY. The new 10Ah is a 2 row Battery
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heiko
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Post by heiko on Aug 24, 2020 6:32:11 GMT -5
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Post by aas on Aug 24, 2020 7:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by aas on Aug 24, 2020 7:33:43 GMT -5
Shameless online translation :
Good ideas prevail: CAS initiator Metabo welcomes the second manufacturer-independent battery system presented by Bosch on the market
NĂŒrtingen, July 2020: Metabo, as the initiator of the Cordless Alliance System (CAS), is pleased about the second cross-manufacturer battery system for power tools and other electrically powered, hand-held machines presented by Bosch Power Tools on Wednesday. "The fact that Bosch is now also opening its battery technology to other manufacturers is for us, on the one hand, confirmation that we are on the right track with our CAS, the world's first manufacturer-independent battery system, launched two years ago," says Horst Garbrecht, CEO of the CAS initiator Metabo. âAnd secondly, the professionals in industry and trade will understand even more quickly the advantages of a manufacturer-independent system. Good ideas just get through. "
CAS started in summer 2018 with nine manufacturers of power tools for professional users. There are now 17 manufacturers in the CAS cooperation: Metabo, Rothenberger, Mafell, EisenblÀtter, Collomix, Haaga, Electrostar (Starmix), Eibenstock, Steinel, Rokamat, Elried / edding, Birchmeier, fischer, Prebena, Cembre, Pressfit and Jöst abrasives. The corresponding contracts have already been signed with four other well-known manufacturers. You will become visible with products on the market in the next few months. The short-term goal of CAS is to unite 25 manufacturers in a consistent, 100 percent compatible battery system by the end of the year. The portfolio in the 18 volt range currently includes more than 160 machines and devices. CAS thus not only covers all common power tools, but also offers expert machines with most of the special solutions worldwide for many applications that professionals from various trades need for their daily work.
âThat is what a manufacturer-independent system is all about. Covering the maximum variety of applications with one system. We see ourselves as the system of the best power tool specialists on the market - with machines that are precisely tailored to the needs of the craftsmen and therefore significantly advance the productivity and quality of daily work, âexplains Garbrecht.
The advantage of a manufacturer-independent battery system is obvious, says the Metabo boss. âWith CAS, users have twice the freedom: They can enjoy the advantages of cordless work - and still choose between different manufacturers without having to lug around a large number of different battery packs and chargers. If it says CAS, everything fits together - always. âNot only are devices from different manufacturers compatible, but also different battery generations: The latest battery with a capacity of 8.0 ampere-hours and an output of up to 1,600 watts also fits all CAS Machines like our first lithium-ion battery from 2009. This means that the professionals can concentrate on their work - and the number of 100% compatible special solutions within the CAS system will continue to grow rapidly.
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Post by aas on Aug 24, 2020 7:36:17 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, Bosch is going nowhere near the Metabo CAS - Metabo are merely telling the world that Bosch is copying their concept, to puff up their chests and prove they were on the right tracks already.
Bosch on the other hand must be a bit miffed that all these excellent German manufacturers had signed up already to a Metabo alliance...
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Post by mafellme on Aug 24, 2020 7:51:50 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, Bosch is going nowhere near the Metabo CAS - Metabo are merely telling the world that Bosch is copying their concept, to puff up their chests and prove they were on the right tracks already. Bosch on the other hand must be a bit miffed that all these excellent German manufacturers had signed up already to a Metabo alliance...
Sadly, it does look like Bosch are doing their own thing, doesn't it?
I find that quite disingenuous and counterproductive, since it is selfishly going in the opposite direction of the ethos of Metabo's CAS - i.e., instead of seeking to promote unification of battery technology for the cordless powertool industry, Bosch are (apparently) using the concept to compete against Metabo-CAS. To use a crude analogy, it's like trying to persuade currently unaligned manufacturers to join a splinter group instead of them co-operatively joining Metabo-CAS. "Come and join our gang, to help us fight against our competitors, even though it benefits us far more than it'll benefit you"
I hope someone respected in the industry has the balls to stand up and publicly call Bosch out for this $h1tty behaviour, but I rather suspect no-one will dare.
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Post by aas on Aug 24, 2020 9:01:51 GMT -5
Yes you are right... the Bosch battery 'sect'! I think in a way, this is Metabo calling Bosch out on their behaviour. Having said that, look at the names they have : Gardena, Gloria, Wagner, Emmaljunga, Rapid... maybe they'll be trying to get Parkside by Lidl on board next!
Looking at the CAS style image here, it is Bosch Green and some household name goods - not really in the same league or in competition to the CAS.
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Post by kraftt on Aug 24, 2020 9:26:11 GMT -5
Was reading how apples decision to go with another chip maker for its iphones gave a smaller chip maker the opportunity to grow bigger than intel, when at the time intel dominated the entire market - not just smart phone chips.
Little different circumstances but was thinking how the CAS is mostly a defensive reaction (strategic if you prefer) against large Asian holding companies flood of âgood enoughâ tools locking customers in with proprietary battery systems, I guess Bosch is so gigantic that it doesnât calculate any advantage to join CAS. Will be interesting to see the outcome.
Also makes me think how batteries, instead of standardized corded voltages, open up so many opportunities / variables. I'm sure someone here has mentioned this before but even if all batteries were shared across all tools, the mfgs. will still update voltage and design every few years anyways. And any electronic device can have firmware that can lock you out or be selective to specific tool. It wouldnât be too hard to get a foot in pay-for-play door by requiring registration, and then at least a fee if the new owner of a used tool wished the ownership transferred and tool to function etc. just so mfg's could promote buying new tools instead.
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