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Post by alvychippy on Aug 24, 2020 16:47:02 GMT -5
Have you compare those Top Precision Best for wood, the silver ones, to the Expert for wood (blue)? Apparently same teeth angle and number, and blue ones are in the same blade and teeth width. It is supposed (if I´m not wrong) that Expert is better than Best for Bosch I'll end up opening the can or as others would say stand up in the trenches for blue on blue fire... Or might sound as overopinionated bafoon... So be it. 162 Mafell is inferior to B.165 precision for longetivity... Load better than Freud, because of the "angles" of carbide that actually cut. Non aggressive angles, big areas of sharp edges mean cut being not just on the front tip, but more to the side, meaning better longetivity (less hot) and cleaner cut in general. B Precision is better in general, than KeyBlade (triple chip) for longetivity (because of design perhaps, for normal everything exept for the plastic worktops) and not in the same league as Trend (something), that lasts OK on wood, but on laminate (flooring or worktop) are simply disposable. Perhaps B. Expert is even better? Don't know, still have one as new (Precision) in a package, might/would try it, but "proTools sharpening" have ordered Stehle blades, waiting for those to try, as they will be made to exact Mafell size specifications. ProTool also promised to make some triple chip... That I might get to replace my ageing KeyB, but once discovered such a cheap solution in aluminium blades, I might pass. Triple chip design blades are good for one purpose only, and aren't anything amazing as for longetivity compared to other teeth designs IMO. |
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Post by iban on Aug 25, 2020 8:03:39 GMT -5
After some research I've found a dealer who sell me an mt55 with 1600 rail for 400€ (473$ or 360£). He sent me a pic and it is with the old box as far I can see (with 2 red closing brackets in the front). When did Mafell changed the box? Is any difference or upgrade with the new saw?  |
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Post by kraftt on Aug 25, 2020 8:34:19 GMT -5
Does it come with the MT-PA Plunge Position Indicator attached to saw in photo? ($83 usd at Timberwolf).
Rail splinter guard is trimmed (means nothing), wondering if saw was a demo and trimmed that specific splinter guard or if rail is from another saw. Depending on answer maybe they would throw in splinter guard replacement roll?
Have you made a counter offer yet? Is saw new?
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Post by iban on Aug 25, 2020 9:25:37 GMT -5
He told me is a clearance for a few Mafell tools they still have as they does not sell Mafell anymore. So it should means it is unused.
I think it comes with the plunge indicator.
I didn't make a counter offer (I will) but I think that is a final price.
Even for this price is a good chance isn't it?
What worries me most is if Mafell introduced any upgrade in the saws in the last years that this old unit does not have
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Post by alvychippy on Aug 25, 2020 9:30:32 GMT -5
Ouch!
Saw with blade in a box is ~£430 here alone
Stop guide, rail guide would be "free" or ~£150, so if the saw is new, with Mafell warranty, the deal sounds too good to be true, whilst style of the box has 0 functional difference.
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Post by mafellme on Aug 25, 2020 9:51:16 GMT -5
One always needs to be careful with discounted items, but that strikes me as probably being a legitimate bargain.
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Post by mafellme on Aug 25, 2020 9:52:26 GMT -5
Have you compare those Top Precision Best for wood, the silver ones, to the Expert for wood (blue)? Apparently same teeth angle and number, and blue ones are in the same blade and teeth width. It is supposed (if I´m not wrong) that Expert is better than Best for Bosch I'll end up opening the can or as others would say stand up in the trenches for blue on blue fire... Or might sound as overopinionated bafoon... So be it. 162 Mafell is inferior to B.165 precision for longetivity... Load better than Freud, because of the "angles" of carbide that actually cut. Non aggressive angles, big areas of sharp edges mean cut being not just on the front tip, but more to the side, meaning better longetivity (less hot) and cleaner cut in general. B Precision is better in general, than KeyBlade (triple chip) for longetivity (because of design perhaps, for normal everything exept for the plastic worktops) and not in the same league as Trend (something), that lasts OK on wood, but on laminate (flooring or worktop) are simply disposable. Perhaps B. Expert is even better? Don't know, still have one as new (Precision) in a package, might/would try it, but "proTools sharpening" have ordered Stehle blades, waiting for those to try, as they will be made to exact Mafell size specifications. ProTool also promised to make some triple chip... That I might get to replace my ageing KeyB, but once discovered such a cheap solution in aluminium blades, I might pass. Triple chip design blades are good for one purpose only, and aren't anything amazing as for longetivity compared to other teeth designs IMO. Could you kindly provide some links for the various blades you've mentioned, please? Thanks. |
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Post by iban on Aug 25, 2020 9:57:34 GMT -5
One always needs to be careful with discounted items, but that strikes me as probably being a legitimate bargain. I asked if it has been used before but I will jump there tomorrow to see it by myself Edit: just answered both saw and the rail are totally new |
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Post by alvychippy on Aug 25, 2020 11:17:03 GMT -5
One always needs to be careful with discounted items, but that strikes me as probably being a legitimate bargain. I asked if it has been used before but I will jump there tomorrow to see it by myself Edit: just answered both saw and the rail are totally new best of luck, to me it seems somewhat suspicious- something has to be wrong, but that's me the pragmatic. |
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Post by alvychippy on Aug 25, 2020 11:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by iban on Aug 26, 2020 5:16:22 GMT -5
One always needs to be careful with discounted items, but that strikes me as probably being a legitimate bargain. I asked if it has been used before but I will jump there tomorrow to see it by myself Edit: just answered both saw and the rail are totally new It´s done. Saw and rail are new, rubber uncut. Just a little bit of dust because of being storaged for a long time. Downside is it is from 2008! 12 years is a long time even for a well built machine but it has been in a closed (old systainer) box. I hope oiling some parts will help to bring this old beauty in shape. Plunge is smooth and motor sounds good to me btw. Smell remembered me my father´s tools when I was young. That oil or grease smell that new tools doesn´t have if you know what I mean. Nothing wrong with it. Must be old grease or whatever. Apart from the rail it comes with an unsued blade, the plunge position indicator, and a paralell guide. Quite complete. The way I see it is like I have purchased a second hand unit but unused. Perhaps a second hand should be less than 400€... I don´t know but the value of the accesories helps me to think I didn´t make a mistake (if it does not have any hidden fault) ![]() freeimage.host/i/dgvBEXBtw they have other few Mafell tools for clearance. I´ve seen there that monster planer and a copule of circular saws (not sure the model but I can ask if someone is interested), a giant drill guide (https://produkte.mafell.de/es/taladrar/estacion-de-taladro/estacion-de-taladro-s), a couple of corded drills (must be discontinued as I can not find them in mafell´s website), and not much more. They are focused on Festool now and don´t work with Mafell anymore so they are clearing. This is the shop in case you want to know. www.isgar.es/(I don´t have any commercial relation with them apart from the saw I´ve just bought) |
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Post by alvychippy on Aug 26, 2020 6:39:10 GMT -5
Well absolutely done! Bargain!
Now, you mentioned, they have few more Mafell tools, but the site isn't listing none... Could you get exact model numbers and prices please?
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Post by iban on Aug 26, 2020 8:24:27 GMT -5
Well absolutely done! Bargain! Now, you mentioned, they have few more Mafell tools, but the site isn't listing none... Could you get exact model numbers and prices please? They don't have online shop. I will ask the guy for a list with prices for you |
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Post by iban on Aug 26, 2020 16:50:50 GMT -5
I´m thinking in what blade options are at the moment in 162mm and same width as the mafell.
I know there are some threads talking about that but I don´t get it clearly
If not 162, between 165 and 160 I will stick to 160 for safety. There are some bosch blades 160mm, 1.8 kerf, 1.3 width.
Would this give me a cut in the same place of the rubber guard (or similar) as the mafell??
Also when using 160 blades, should you reset the 0 position in the plunge scale? How do you do that?
How should be a blade for clean cuts in melamine? I´m not sure what of the blades you said earlier is ideal for this
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Post by mafellme on Aug 26, 2020 17:29:11 GMT -5
There are some bosch blades 160mm, 1.8 kerf, 1.3 width. Would this give me a cut in the same place of the rubber guard (or similar) as the mafell??
Yes, very close.
Bosch blade (you stated 1.8 kerf, 1.3 width):
1.8mm - 1.3mm = 0.5mm
0.5mm / 2 = 0.25mm offset on the left side of the blade.
Mafell standard blade 1.8 kerf, 1.2 plate thickness:
1.8mm - 1.2mm = 0.6mm
0.6mm / 2 = 0.3mm offset on the left side of the blade.
Therefore, the difference between the Bosch blade you mentioned and the Mafell blade would be
0.3mm - 0.25mm = 0.05mm difference.
So, if the splinter guard is cut precisely using the Mafell blade (splinter guard not worn out by too much usage) then the Bosch blade would leave 0.05mm more material on the workpiece than the splinter guard was indicating. For most circumstances, this is such a tiny discrepancy that it wouldn't matter, and you're likely to experience a similar discrepancy, even if you always use exactly identical blades, by virtue of there being a tiny amount of sideways play in the saw plunge mechanism, in the spindle bearing, and in the tolerances of the sole plate of the saw as it travels along the guide rail/track. After a few weeks, you will find that these factors, along with the accumulated influence of tiny amounts of blade deflection during various cutting procedures, will result in the splinter guard being trimmed a little further away from the true cutline than strictly accurate. This is a shame, but it's real life and the same thing will happen with any track saw on the market. It's only a tiny discrepancy and you'll soon get used to it, and compensate for it in the way you line up the track before you begin sawing.
All in all, then, the difference between a 1.8mm, 1.2mm blade and a 1.8mm, 1.3mm blade will turn out to be negligible.
To do that, you need to adjust the black bolt with the white markings on it, using the blade-change allen key:
If you adjust the bolt to suit a 160mm blade, then please be careful if you put a 162mm or 165mm blade in, sometimes, as you may cut deeper than the scale tells you!!
As you know, I use a lot of 165mm blades as well as the standard 162mm Mafell blades, and I always keep my depth guide adjusted to suit 165mm blades. That way, if I use a 162mm blade, no harm will happen if I forget to mentally compensate for the difference in depth of the blade teeth.
Different people may have different opinions about this. Personally, I tend to use an ATB (Alternate Top Bevel) blade for cutting melamine, because it scores the fragile melamine before the main quantity of waste is removed. However, ATB blades can blunt fairly quickly on melamine and Formica.
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