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Post by aas on Jun 2, 2020 0:35:33 GMT -5
... or at least have a try of the Makita as I previously mentioned.
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Post by rob2 on Jun 2, 2020 1:14:47 GMT -5
The Fest track saw, the Erika, the MT55, possibly other track saws, employ camber intentionally. The other issue is that, even without camber, biased force can affect true 90º on a track saw. Any saw that isn’t perfectly cutting 90º in thick material could effect wide glue ups. Isn’t this why guys place a couple of bars across the top and bottom to stop any potential cupping? I don't setup camber on my saws. It is unnecessary. I regularly get glue ready cuts on hardwood with TS75. One of the attraction of track saws that you can usually get a glue ready cut with a hand held machine thus skipping jointer and other prep operations. Hoping MT55 will do the same after I disassemble and modify the hinge. Seems simple enough, just a set screw. P.S. Bars across the top and bottom to stop cupping is a band-aid for when one does a poor job of prepping the stock.
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Post by kraftt on Jun 2, 2020 5:00:06 GMT -5
I don't setup camber on my saws. It is unnecessary. I regularly get glue ready cuts on hardwood with TS75. One of the attraction of track saws that you can usually get a glue ready cut with a hand held machine thus skipping jointer and other prep operations. Hoping MT55 will do the same after I disassemble and modify the hinge. Seems simple enough, just a set screw. P.S.Bars across the top and bottom to stop cupping is a band-aid for when one does a poor job of prepping the stock. Thought using cauls was pro technique? No matter how perfectly smooth your glue edges are it’s hardwood with all the natural irregularities and the tendencies that arise from that. Cauls simply keep boards flat (without damaging the surface or even needing much pressure). I'm curious, you've been getting the results you're after with a saw with a larger cut capacity, understandable working with hardwoods, could you tell us why you switched to a saw with a smaller cut capacity? And if you already know how to remove camber from your factory-camber-set saws surely you would have known this would have consequences with the MT for your application, yes? Maybe a short video cutting with both and then showing the edges will help us understand. I'd like that.
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Post by kraftt on Jun 2, 2020 5:34:01 GMT -5
Just make the score cut a bit deeper, no shift then. Have you worked out what depth you need to set it to?.. I don't have either of my MT's with me at the moment - working up in the mountains enjoying the views and peace and quiet! Ever since you mentioned your location I always wonder about what a great working environment that must be. (not saying mine's bad, it's just those pesky riots, lootings, curfews ... )
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Post by Eoj on Jun 2, 2020 11:53:08 GMT -5
The comparison video is using a UK demo saw for that video , the author does not indicate if the issue was brought to the attention of Mafell UK .His mafell ddf40 review was a demo as well .
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Post by hecon5 on Jun 2, 2020 12:07:28 GMT -5
Sometimes, I wonder if it would be worth it to take a massive pay cut and live in the hills. Sometimes...I wonder why I don't...
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Post by aas on Jun 2, 2020 12:20:41 GMT -5
Ever since you mentioned your location I always wonder about what a great working environment that must be. (not saying mine's bad, it's just those pesky riots, lootings, curfews ... )Yes it's pretty great up here... very hard on the vans though, both of mine are 4x4 VW vans - not cheap, and the wear and tear is pretty bad, mainly brakes and tyres - some of the descents are 250 - 500m then hairpin - keep that up for 20 km and your brakes get very hot and tired slowing 3 tons of van down. The other downside is how long it takes to get anywhere, just going into the next valley to look at a job is a couple of hours and 100+km - as the crow flies it's less than 10km - my average speed is around 49km/h over the last 7500km... but it sure is better than riots, lootings and curfews!... I feel for anyone living through that.
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Post by kraftt on Jun 2, 2020 13:30:37 GMT -5
I can imagine, not to mention transmissions. I drive a V10 (didn’t set out to be an asshole just needed it for pulling a gen at the time) and drive canyons often here too. Was tired of doing my own brakes a few months back so I picked up my preferred parts and watched as a mechanic pulled out the caliper pistons to inspect, they disintegrated in his hands. Maybe a mile more before complete failure, guess I got my moneys worth.
I suppose you get to the point driving where you just ask clients to text you some photos ?
The ‘events’ here are not as bad as media focuses on (excluding their genesis). I was driving thorough many of those areas and also some very depressed areas going to suppliers just yesterday. Nothing to see or fear, just hardworking people and businesses closing early. The annoying part is your cell goes off like an air raid siren with a curfew text (which interrupts phone calls, stops project video recording automatically), then about a ½ hour later they squawk again changing there minds and moving the curfew up an hour or two screwing your schedule again and your left begging the suppliers, as they are locking their doors, to allow you pick up your paid for materials. Ok literally as I finished that last sentence they blasted another one (mid day here) and tonight it's from 6 to 6. Have to get ready for the Purge. Send us a pic of those views !
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Post by aas on Jun 2, 2020 13:45:00 GMT -5
Customers are rarely here - they want it ready for the ski season - so I get keys sent to me, phone calls, email etc., quote signed, transfer for payment - I've got customers I've never met!
There are the obvious problems with being up high - frozen pipes. Everything got shut down early here (i.e.2 months before the ski season ends) for the current world 'issue' - heating turned off to save money - frozen pipes and then massive leak when it thaws out... currently dealing with the insurer in a flat - one of the worlds top (glitzy!) ski resorts, these places are worth from 20,000€ per m² (I guess that's around 2000€ sq.ft) - and the heating gets cut to save some money!.. not even frost stats on!
Get to see some nice properties though, use great tools on top quality materials.
Already bust one transmission... gone for new vans now, 5 year guarantee... I need to work, not be sending vans in for repair!
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Post by lincoln on Jun 2, 2020 18:21:50 GMT -5
Customers are rarely here - they want it ready for the ski season - so I get keys sent to me, phone calls, email etc., quote signed, transfer for payment - I've got customers I've never met! There are the obvious problems with being up high - frozen pipes. Everything got shut down early here (i.e.2 months before the ski season ends) for the current world 'issue' - heating turned off to save money - frozen pipes and then massive leak when it thaws out... currently dealing with the insurer in a flat - one of the worlds top (glitzy!) ski resorts, these places are worth from 20,000€ per m² (I guess that's around 2000€ sq.ft) - and the heating gets cut to save some money!.. not even frost stats on! Get to see some nice properties though, use great tools on top quality materials. Already bust one transmission... gone for new vans now, 5 year guarantee... I need to work, not be sending vans in for repair! Need a helper, aas?
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Post by rob2 on Jun 2, 2020 20:19:40 GMT -5
Thought using cauls was pro technique? No matter how perfectly smooth your glue edges are it’s hardwood with all the natural irregularities and the tendencies that arise from that. Cauls simply keep boards flat (without damaging the surface or even needing much pressure). I'm curious, you've been getting the results you're after with a saw with a larger cut capacity, understandable working with hardwoods, could you tell us why you switched to a saw with a smaller cut capacity? And if you already know how to remove camber from your factory-camber-set saws surely you would have known this would have consequences with the MT for your application, yes? Maybe a short video cutting with both and then showing the edges will help us understand. I'd like that. Ok, I'll walk it back a bit. Cauls do help with alignment on large panels. It's alternative to tapping boards flush with a mallet (or using biscuits, dominos, dowels...). Using them to counter cupping of the panel is a sloppy work. If your edges aren't square (or at least don't add to 180) your gaps will close on one side and open on another. I always dry fit panels using clamps. If it's not flat unassisted (no cauls) and all joints are not closed on both sides, it's go back and joint it again time. Regarding the saw. I wanted to get a smaller lighter one for finer work. 70 mm capacity is often not needed.
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