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Post by mafellme on Jul 24, 2020 15:57:31 GMT -5
What a bunch of suckers..... …there’s a reason I left a few letters when I was wiping off the printing on that Charlotte Pipe abs hard duct - I realized this vac will suck anything.  ...by that rationale, if a vac WON'T suck hard enough, and its owner wipes off the letters 'F' and 'E' from the beginning of its name, will the remaining letters imply that the vac is crap? Enquiring minds need to know! |
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Post by holmz on Jul 25, 2020 1:49:35 GMT -5
I think pipe needs a red A.
Maybe that means Astronomy?... so starmix for the win??
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Post by mafellme on Jul 25, 2020 6:41:46 GMT -5
There's another eBay seller selling what looks to be 98% identical bags (only significant difference seems to be a black instead of white zip, and with the opening located at the other end of the bag). The fleece material seems to be identical. My guess is that there may be a factory in poland producing this industrial-rated filter fleece material, and a cottage industry may have sprung-up, making small bags from the material, for individual tradespeople, across Europe.
eBay item number:
274012988653
This seller clearly states that the material is washable.
Both the above seller and the one I previously mentioned are claiming the bags can handle very fine dust - the video link I posted a couple of days ago does show exactly that usage scenario (probably using a new bag, but still... you wouldn't expect them to set themselves up for an obvious fall, by promoting a usage scenario that was bound to bite them in the backside if irate customers find it not suitable for fine dust). I'm guessing it'll handle very fine dust for 2-4 cycles, and perhaps then need washing. It's only £20 per bag - you could spend more than that on just 5 disposable fleece bags, so I think it's good value and worth a punt.
Thanks, I noticed that interesting post last year, when I was doing a bit of research here on the forum, in the run-up to buying what eventually turned out to be a Starmix-made vac. Calidecks does some nice decking projects, doesn't he?
In the past, I've tried (with a domestic Numatic 'Henry' vac) re-using fleece bags by using a slightly simpler slide-on plastic clamp (the type you often see as a protector strip on hand panel saws / Jack saws). It drove me insane trying to get the thing to slide on without crumpling the bag and sliding off the edge of the bag. I can see that the type of clamp you linked to is much better designed, and if I lived in the US, I would probably give it a try. Living in the UK, I don't think it's worth me ordering it, as it'd probably get wrecked by one or more idiots in the postal service, on its way to me 
The other thing to consider, for trade usage, is that my existing problem is that the fleece bags I'm using are clogging and bursting long before they're full, so re-using them with a plastic clamp wouldn't solve that 'particular' issue. I've often wished I was one of those lucky tradespeople who only works with timber, which is much better for one's health than plaster dust, chipboard dust, etc., and doesn't clog filter fleece so easily 
I can't deny that dust seperators are a great idea. Really. I 'dig' them, especially for workshop use.
Most of my work is on-site (domestic) and I'm reluctant to put up with the extra bulk, set-up, and clutter, but who knows - maybe in a year or two, I may end up being forced to use that approach. It certainly seems to work very well for you!
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Post by kraftt on Jul 25, 2020 12:02:11 GMT -5
That was the whole idea behind the Dustopper. Cheap n Quick. I think it was intended for the Shop-Vac user. Compact so you just throw it in the truck and dig it out when needed to slap it on a 5 gal plastic bucket and you’re done. They didn’t even bother with any kind of gasket seal.
On the job site most leave it on the floor and throw something heavy in the bottom of bucket so it won’t tip. But even if you have a clip on box on your eurovac it’s easy to have something on top of that box that receives (drop in - pull out) a 5 gal plastic bucket. Light enough to hang off the side too. The low center of gravity on most eurovacs makes either method fairly stable with a small footprint.
But I hear what you're saying about clutter & bulk and that's why we all keep those fleece bags on.
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The re-usable bags for my vac list around $200, just assumed it would be similar. I did an eBay search as you suggested, didn’t find your version but I see one for my vac for $17 (!). Though the grey material doesn’t quite look the same design or density.
With a recent purchase learning that now there are nock offs of nock offs (still cracks me up) I think I will wait for more feedback.
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Post by kraftt on Aug 3, 2020 9:51:34 GMT -5
I enquired to Nilfisk about their version of re-useable bags and they replied: "The bag can be used in many different applications, but the usage will of course affect the lifetime of the bag. Under normal circumstances it will have a lifetime of at least one year. We recommend to use it for dry materials and it is best suited for rough debris, wood chips or larger pieces that makes the bag easier to clean afterwards. Even though it is made to be very durable, if you use it for sharp metal chips or sticky materials, it will result in a shorter lifetime. It can be washed, we have even seen examples where people have cleaned it in a washing machine, but it takes time and it needs to dry properly afterwards, so it’s not something you want to do too often."
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Post by mafellme on Aug 26, 2020 12:19:50 GMT -5
Both the above seller and the one I previously mentioned are claiming the bags can handle very fine dust - the video link I posted a couple of days ago does show exactly that usage scenario (probably using a new bag, but still... you wouldn't expect them to set themselves up for an obvious fall, by promoting a usage scenario that was bound to bite them in the backside if irate customers find it not suitable for fine dust). I'm guessing it'll handle very fine dust for 2-4 cycles, and perhaps then need washing. It's only £20 per bag - you could spend more than that on just 5 disposable fleece bags, so I think it's good value and worth a punt.
Ok... I said I'd report back with my findings, regarding these Polish thick-fleece 're-usable' dust bags.
The good: They're very nicely made.
The bad: It turns out they clog quite rapidly (when extracting fine gypsum dust, I didn't get my bag full even once, before it was impeding suction). I can't be bothered to wash the damn thing every time it gets clogged, and wait several days for it to dry out (or tumble dry it).
For wood shavings or composite decking shavings, it'd probably be a great option, but for very fine mineral dusts, it has been disappointing and hasn't solved my problem.
As for using my iPulse with black Metabo open-top dust bags, using the automated iPulse filter declogging, I have a confession: since I last posted in this thread, I've done a heck of a lot of sanding of fine gypsum, along with vacuuming a carpet (on the same jobsite). This turned out to be a perfect storm that clogged the heck out of my filter cartridges, in spite of the 300 G iPulse shaking. The carpet fibres combined with the gypsum dust to 70% clog the pleats, and this was, unfortunately, mostly immune to the shaking function. Clarification: the dust extractor DOES still function successfully, in spite of this substantial clogging, but it was obvious that the iPulse filter shaking was occurring more frequently than was healthy for the longevity of the machine.
All of which leads me to the following:
I surrender.
I admit it.
I was reluctant to consider dragging around the bulk of a cyclonic seperator, on-site, but the combination of carpet fibres and gypsum dust was a rude awakening to me, that if I'm going to continue regularly working with gypsum dust, then I have little choice other than to tolerate the extra bulk, for the sake of the longevity and efficiency of my iPulse machine. There is also another factor that has pushed me into the above conclusion: since almost all of my work is on domestic premises, it is highly unsociable to neighbouring houses if loud iPulse thumping is happening twice a minute, for several hours a day.
I may still buy some PTFE coated cartridges, but regardless of whether I do, or not, it seems I am going to be forced to implement some form of cyclonic seperator. Therefore, I'm now (very reluctantly) looking at various cyclone options on the market.
The Festool CT-VA seems 'neat', but obnoxiously overpriced (in typical Festool fashion), and not actually all that impressive, from a performance standpoint, considering the outrageous pricetag.
A Dust Commander DLX ESD might be my best option, but I'm open to other suggestions from anyone on the forum who has knowledge or experience of something better, for sensible money. I absolutely INSIST that whatever option I go with MUST function anti-statically. Perhaps this can be accomplished using jubilee clips and wire, connecting inlet hose and outlet hose to one another, electrically, but I'd be more confident with the entire cyclone being made from carbon-rich plastic (unless I am misunderstanding, this is how Festool and Dust Commander are achieving anti-static continuity, but please let me know if I am wrong about this).
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Post by aas on Aug 26, 2020 13:15:01 GMT -5
I have both the CT-VA and Dust Commander anti-static. I started with the Dust Commander, recently got it out to use with a new Kapex and CT15. It stays in the workshop, I made a box that fits in a Sys5 for the dust, the lid can be removed and inverted to fit in the box. - it works very well... but for using on site the CT-VA wins. It is more robust than having a cyclone sat on top of a box; emptying is easy, fixing onto the vac is easy - and it looks more pro. It works very well - and yes they are expensive - the reason I dusted off the old Dust Commander for the Kapex - but I'd really like 2 or 3.
If you go down the Dust Commander route, you will have moments of frustration, struggling to move, connect, install, etc. If you go for the CT-VA - you will have to gulp when you click 'Buy Now', then you can just get back to working.
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Post by kraftt on Aug 26, 2020 16:37:30 GMT -5
For my Dustopper I used an antistatic wrist strap wrapped around the end of hose going into collector. Then alligator clipped the other end to the dust cap leash screw on my vac. It bypasses the Dustopper but all I care about is the hose for now. On the hard pipe (harlot) I tested with aluminum tape running on outside but over lapped as far inside and aligned to mate at the ends to next separate & taped section and fitting. Continuity is perfect. The adhesive is excellent and tape so thin and strong too that it allows for parts to seal & be disassembled and put back together over & over without issue. Except I like the flexible hose better since it rolls up and stores in the bucket. So I’ll stick with continuity from hose to vac using wrist strap for now. Any wire would be fine but straps are cheap, have velcro, coiled wire, so it’s easy to connect. There’s usually a resistor molded into wrist strap band that you can bypass if you don’t get the performance you’re after. I had either a black oxide or black painted screw for connecting vac dust cap leash and continuity didn’t work at all until I replaced that screw with an uncoated one. But the aluminum (or copper) tape is completely legit and I even did an experiment where I lined the inside of the Thien baffle with a strip and it then press fit connected to the strips on the hard pipe where the tape on the final fitting press fit against the vacs inlet port. If you test with an ohm meter there seem to be areas of better continuity it the conductive matrix in the plastic around vac inlet port to position the aluminum tape. 12 o’clock position worked the best for me.  |
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