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Post by aas on May 28, 2019 0:19:55 GMT -5
Does anyone have one of these?... 67mm depth of cut from 1x 18v battery, 185mm blade.
I think it's the same as the KSS60 18M bl but without the cross cut rail, but it will ride on the 400mm rail for the MF26 (which I already have).
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Post by henrun on Jun 18, 2019 14:09:08 GMT -5
Haven't seen one in the flesh.
I would choose the KSS60 over the KSS50 for the extra depth since I have the KSS40.
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Post by aas on Jun 19, 2019 6:15:10 GMT -5
Haven't seen one in the flesh. I would choose the KSS60 over the KSS50 for the extra depth since I have the KSS40. I thought you'd sold the KSS40 - mine is still beeping from time to time, I think it'll be fine, excellent little saw.
I'll pick up a K65/KSS60 when a good deal comes up, no rush.
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Post by HenRun on the Run on Jun 19, 2019 7:13:02 GMT -5
I did pick one up again just the other day🙂. I missed it and with fresh warranty I got some confidence in getting at least three years out of it. The new Bosch 18V track saw GKT52-18 C looks like a great track saw companion. As for larger KSS saws I would consider the 60. I have the Festool HKC which is nice for rough work and with the 250 short track. Other å that I would happily be out of the Festool 18v line up. V
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Post by henrun on Jun 19, 2019 11:31:36 GMT -5
Garbled squinty eyed phone-spelling in the above post... ...sorry.
Haven't seen one in the flesh. I would choose the KSS60 over the KSS50 for the extra depth since I have the KSS40. I thought you'd sold the KSS40 - mine is still beeping from time to time, I think it'll be fine, excellent little saw.
I'll pick up a K65/KSS60 when a good deal comes up, no rush.
I am thinking the same. I have the Bosch (and Mafell) corded tracksaw in the shop with heaps of rails from 800-3100mm.
The Bosch 18V track/plunge saw will make sense for me as I have some 18V Bosch gear and batteries and I have the rails. I am counting on the price to be fair and well below the MT55 18m bl with similar performance.
As for another KSS saw I am thinking I would either keep the Festool HKC55 for a while or just let go of my Festool 18V gear altogether and buy a bare bones KSS50/60 to round out the outfit. I like the plunge stop for the HKC55 and I like the short track. I am not thrilled with the cut quality and the rest of the 18V system though. The KSS60 400mm track can be shortened somewhat but it is a bit of a nerve wrecking affair to have to modify the "short" rail. I think it is too long for my normal use and Mafell does not offer a shorter one.
Plunge stop is not as well thought out on the KSS50/60 but I can live with that. I am just going bonkers with not being able to slim down the outfit to just two/three battery platforms. Mafell could take care of the onsite sawing but then again it would make more sense with Mafell all the way instead of the Bosch. OR I could just limit myself to the KSS40 for the Mafell battery platform and it would still not take up more space than a single Systainer.
Now matter how I swing it I like the KSS40 but neither Mafell nor Festool has a wide enough platform for my work.
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Post by henrun on Jun 25, 2019 15:02:03 GMT -5
It seems the Bosch 18V will not come out this year, probably very late if it does. After repurchasing the KSS40 last week I worked out what is best for my current situation and that train of thought took me back to where I was a year ago: mixing the Mt55 18M bl with the KSS40. Should I get a lot of decking jobs next year I will add the KSS50 (again!!!). They only had a charging kit (Metabo) with three LiHD and charger in store and instead of thinking "what do I do with that extra battery?" I got me the MT55 18M bl right on the spot. Feels like a great decision.
I did put ALL of my Festool 18V gear - and some corded - up for sale and I am back with Mafell (and Bosch). Not bashing Festool at all, just feel like I am where I need to be with Mafell/Bosch and Hikokitachibo.
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Post by aas on Jun 26, 2019 5:42:44 GMT -5
The MT55 18M bl is my favourite plunge saw, either on the Mafell or Festool rails. I have a lot of 230v Festool, but I feel their cordless line up is quite weak - I have just the CXS converted to run Makita 10,8v batts.
KSS40 is perfect for decking, it has the torque to deal with wet wood, light enough to swing all day long.
Still unhappy with a lot of my Metabo cordless, it's just not up to scratch quality wise, but having said that, it doesn't die on me. Just removed 100m² of carpet using the Metabo multi-tool - it got very hot, but it just kept on going (probably because the switch is so stiff I couldn't turn it off!) Grinder still going despite it's faults, KS57 still going strong - it's just not very good quality wise. I've got so many tools and batteries on that platform now, no point thinking of changing, just keep the Metabo for rough work.
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Post by henrun on Jun 27, 2019 13:34:42 GMT -5
Metabo feels "rudimentary" and not very sophisticated but I have to give it to them for making things that last fairly well. They have some "basic" stuff and some very good gear. Some of the stuff are a bit dated in design and performance but all in all they fill out some of the gaps in the Mafell line up with the basic tools. I would keep them as the cost of replacing them will far outweigh the benefit I think.
At least that is my own experience having been in the same position a few years back.
As of this evening there is a pretty substantial gap on the tool shelf where there are about eight Systainers missing... All my Festool saws and drills have found a new home as well as some miscellaneous Festool stuff I didn't feel like I had any use for anymore. Feels kind of refreshing to be honest! My last two jobs were done with the awesome Hikoki oil impact and for the hole sawing the Hitachi drill was brutally strong and fast - and had kick back control to boot. I did keep a Festool CXS for tight spots though...
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Post by paeda on Jun 28, 2019 11:31:50 GMT -5
Metabo feels "rudimentary" and not very sophisticated but I have to give it to them for making things that last fairly well. They have some "basic" stuff and some very good gear. Some of the stuff are a bit dated in design and performance but all in all they fill out some of the gaps in the Mafell line up with the basic tools. I would keep them as the cost of replacing them will far outweigh the benefit I think. At least that is my own experience having been in the same position a few years back. As of this evening there is a pretty substantial gap on the tool shelf where there are about eight Systainers missing... All my Festool saws and drills have found a new home as well as some miscellaneous Festool stuff I didn't feel like I had any use for anymore. Feels kind of refreshing to be honest! My last two jobs were done with the awesome Hikoki oil impact and for the hole sawing the Hitachi drill was brutally strong and fast - and had kick back control to boot. I did keep a Festool CXS for tight spots though... Hello, to the forum members. I write my first comment, although I've been reading it for a long time. I'm at home on the construction site and therefore have a lot of experience with tools of all kinds. But my workshop at home is well sorted too. Do I have to have so, so that my three sons do not come to "stupid thoughts" ;-) Especially the good contributions of "Henrun" I read with pleasure. The topic battery system is also up-to-date with me, but I am "first" with two battery systems. Festool cordless screwdrivers were sold two years ago because the current battery program simply does not convince. Except for the new "Supercut" Festool would be interesting, but since I have no Festool battery tools more, I would directly buy the Fein. Just find the ergonomics, with the rather large battery packs at Festool, just terrible. Same with Fein. If you look at their (Festool / Fein) battery packs, the batteries on the devices look like "foreign objects". Here I have to say, I like the battery design / ergonomics / and integration into the tool at Bosch the best. Therefore I have the largest battery system of Bosch and I am also quite satisfied with. I would like to wish Mafell had continued with Bosch batteries. A direct comparison shows that the Metabo batteries on my KSS 40 are much larger than those of Bosch. I very much hoped that Bosch would bring a similar cordless saw, like the upcoming (hopefully in AT) Hikoki c3607DRA. Unfortunately the pictures are very disappointing. Henrun, is there any information when the hikoki will arrive in Europe? The C3607DRA would also be the only Hikoki battery machine for me at first, since the machines (at least the ones that I was allowed to use at the BAU 2019) simply did not suit me. The quality impression (here is Fein, my subjective opinion, simply unbeatable) is simply bad, the produced devices in Japan except. I just can not make friends with Metabo machines. I can not say anything bad about that, but somehow the spark just does not jump over there. Incidentally, I also think so, always have machines in battery, and cable version. Therefore, I am again looking for a good used KSS300, mine I had in the euphoria, now having the KSS40, sold, unfortunately. I'm looking forward to the Bosch cordless saw. But I will not sell the MT55, if not necessary. How is it, Henrun, in Sweden; Did Mafell introduce this fixed-rate system as well? Let's see how long Mafell can sustain it. The prices are so since the conversion in AT exploded. I recently went through the published Mafell- Balance sheet numbers churned. Sales have already dropped significantly. Should have been about 10 million less in 2018 than in 2017 .. first post .. Greetings from AT PS: Text has been translated by "Uncle Google". I am quite good at reading and understanding English, not at writing. Excuse me....
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Post by aas on Jun 28, 2019 14:48:32 GMT -5
PS: Text has been translated by "Uncle Google". I am quite good at reading and understanding English, not at writing. Excuse me.... Practice makes perfect!.. I understand you OK.
For the Festool Vecturo, you can get it with the 3,1ah battery, which is slim and light. I had a couple for my DWC4500 before I sold it, the big Festool batteries are way too big and heavy.
Same with the KSS40, you can put the smaller 4,0ah batteries on it and it works just fine.
For buying Mafell, Germany usually has the best deals. If you are getting more than one item, contacting the dealer can usually pay off - decent discounts are available, but these guys need to make a living too, so not worth it for them to drop the price for just one item.
I have a spreadsheet with my future shopping list of tools and accessories, I just wait until a deal comes up and go for it, I have saved thousands doing it this way. The worst deals are always when I need something urgently, and then the priority is delivery time and not price, but with good planning, this doesn't happen too often.
Good to have someone here from Austria! I have my beautiful Albin-Kraus Mafell LO65 from Austria!
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Post by kraftt on Jun 28, 2019 15:31:59 GMT -5
...the produced devices in Japan except... ...I just can not make friends with Metabo machines... Interestingly enough, I understand you perfectly.
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Post by henrun on Jun 29, 2019 2:00:36 GMT -5
Paeda: welcome to the forum and a great first post. I think you will find many members here with both similar and different ideas and solutions. We are united in trying to find the best possible solutions with mixed platforms and minimal anxiety/angst. I agree about Metabo. With Metabo LTX the capability is there but there is no "spark" as you say. They are good complementary machines to Mafell for general carpentry. Metabo does have some great and reliable tools. Anything less than LTX series is not for me. The latest generation Metabo batteries (CAS labeled) have better battery indicators - same as Bosch use by the looks of it. With Hikoki I find that many of the tools that are new share the same DNA as some Metabo but in a nicer package with a better grip - but not better batteries except for MV/MultiVolt which are on par.
With Hikoki you have to be careful with the Chinese made machines contra the Japanese made machines. The Japanese are better made but all in all I am still happy with the basic Hitachi and Hikoki machines. I think the Multicutter from Hikoki is a very good machine and it has no real issues to it which is rare. For the mitre saws there is no question that the Japanese made are in a different league from the Chinese made that are sold in Europe. Still, my "beater el cheapo" Chinese made Hitachi cuts true but feels very plasticky and basic. The DRA 3607 is something I hope to see in Europe, there are no plans for it yet as I have heard. The 3610 is a saw I would consider after playing with one. But only if I had the need for a large portable saw, which I don't. It is not the same quality build as the Makita or Bosch offerings in the same category but if I really needed a large cordless/corded the Hikoki would probably still be the one for me. For my limited use it would still be very good but perhaps only for convenience and not for best buy in that category. If I need a large corded mitre saw for the workshop the Hikoki 3610 is off the list. There are many others that are more interesting in that case. The basic Hikoki stuff holds up well and for the price of a full kit I can't replace my Hikoki/Hitachi gear without spending a small fortune and end up with something that is not necessarily better. I don't have much Bosch 18V but a basic kit with jigsaw, multicutter, hammer drill, Flexiclick 18V and that classic GDX impact. Pro Core batteries are nice and Bosch quality has improved some. The Bosch Flexiclick has replaced my Festool drills for versatility and the bit holder even grabs the Centrotec drills pretty good.
If I did not have my cheap Hitachi 18V gear (which work fine) I would probably go deeper into Bosch 18V.
After getting rid of all Festool 18V gear I feel relieved, really.
Less to organize and I haven't really missed any of the tools. Not even the drills!
The HKC 55 Li was and _is_ very nice though. I am happy to be back with Mafell and will now stay with Bosch and Mafell for track saws.
I think it is time to start a "mixed bag" thread with the gear kit people use for their trades and what led them to that set up in the end. Could end up a long thread but could help some people out in the end!
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Post by paeda on Jun 29, 2019 12:35:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome to the forum ;-) AAS .: It's perfectly true that you can save a lot of money if you can afford to wait for the right moment. I have paid 2017 for my new KSS40 672, - Euro without tax, and that in the full equipment. Today you can not find the machine under 949, - Euro without tax. These are the effects of Mafell's "price-fixing" introduced in 2018 . It took a while (and I waited for it not to become so ruinous for me ;-)), until I found out for myself how to classify this "cordless tool invasion". From practice I have made out for myself that I can not do without a cordless Saw/Jigsaw/Supercut and of course cordless screwdriver . And here begin the problems to commit to one manufacturer. And so it happens that it becomes a Mafell and Co. ... We will have to live with it, to cope with several battery systems. With me it's slow ;.) Here's an example, as I said with the batteries of F .. Look at this, I say "freak birth" on .. The machine itself will probably be Fein. http://instagram.com/p/BzQi1l3lu2P
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Post by henrun on Jun 29, 2019 13:42:43 GMT -5
Those new Festool grinders sure look nice. New good tools are always welcome. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Hitachi grinder I have though, it has an even slimmer grip then the Festool by the looks of it. I also have the metal shearer from Hikoki which works great. As a small cutoff tool and problem solver the little mini 76mm 12V disc cutter from Bosch is both small, cheap and very good.
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Jun 30, 2019 8:13:16 GMT -5
Henrun,
A "mixed bag" thread would be great! I, for one would appreciate it.
John
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