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Post by aas on May 8, 2019 15:13:47 GMT -5
... as an asides, I don't get super crisp cuts with the KSS40. Tried different blades, including Key blades. I've tried the black rubber splinter strips too... (someone on here recommended them). Maybe with a new hard red plastic splinter strip and a brand new Mafell blade it will get back to how it was when new - but I can't get the splinter strips without ordering from UK or Germany and paying a fair bit in shipping - listed as obsolete here! It cuts OK on the F-rails with a 'real' splinter strip. 300m² of decking wrecked the original hard one, and the back rubber one is too soft and flexible.
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Post by Tom Gensmer on May 8, 2019 20:55:34 GMT -5
Hmm, interesting, the stiff, stock Red splinter strip for the KSS40/300 is still available in North America. Is this the one you're referencing? www.timberwolftools.com/splinter-guard-for-kss-300-cross-cutting-track If I'm really worried about splinter-free cuts with KSS-saws, I tend to cut with the finished side "down"/away from the saw, if that makes sense?
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Post by aas on May 9, 2019 1:49:19 GMT -5
That's the one I think - 204371 - of course it still exists, it's just that despite being happy to 'sell' the saw, no one has thought to add this reference to the available parts, so last time I checked, Mafell France were not listing it as available - translation to the dealer means 'discontinued'.
Obviously upside down cuts can be done, but it is easier not to have to.
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Post by henrun on May 9, 2019 23:43:38 GMT -5
If you are in the Stockholm area you are welcome to visit the shop and try out the Erika 60E in the flesh. I might be able to rustle up the CS50 as well. The CS50 has been around some but still does the job. Just PM me and we'll make it happen.
Splinter strips are not too expensive and Mekina in Solna orders them in. I got three extra when I got the KSS40.
Which blade are you using for flooring? They have similar, yet slightly different blades for the KSS40. Cutting upside down is still "the norm" for delicate flooring. I find the Festool HKC saw even more splintery.
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Post by aas on May 10, 2019 0:04:20 GMT -5
If you are in the Stockholm area you are welcome to visit the shop Thanks, but I'm in the French Alps doing work on ski chalets and flats for owners from all around the world!
As an asides, anyone ever seen a Metabo UK 290 in the flesh?.. they can be picked up new for around 800€. I wouldn't buy one as I find Metabo quality dubious, still leaning towards the Festool, not a lot of info on the Erika 60e out there.
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Post by henrun on May 10, 2019 0:30:17 GMT -5
Ah, I see. Now I remember that you mentioned that... Metabo UK290 is probably a pretty decent saw though it adds nothing over the CS50 (EDIT: except for using more standard arbor blades...) and accessories are probably a pain to find - unless you buy the complete package. I have looked at it but never seen one in the flesh. It seems to be built the old fashioned way so I would expect it to be as sturdy as the CS50 at least.
While shopping for a table saw I did find some info and the UK290 could be built up to a pretty extensive system - fully on par with Festool and probably more known in Germany but no info at all in Sweden. It could be ordered in though through a site that had it listed.
The Erika 60E is somewhat of a stealthy saw, you never see it and almost never hear about it and there are probably not too many out there but it has a following it seems. I have yet to be invited to the secret society but I can see the appeal for sure. I guess the upper echelon parquetry layers are more familiar with it. I do think that the Erika I used back in 2005/6 on a jobsite actually was the 60E. No one back then knew anything about the saw and it was a beater saw for trim work and it worked great. At first I thought maybe I had used the Erika 65 but I distinctly remember the color and the small footprint. Looked like a toy saw but cut straight. I look forward to using mine as a complimentary saw when the big boy arrives. I am happy without the add ons and might keep it at that.
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Post by aas on May 10, 2019 11:26:40 GMT -5
I look forward to using mine as a complimentary saw when the big boy arrives. I am happy without the add ons and might keep it at that. Have you ordered the 85?... or something bigger?
For the Metabo, I can get the full kit for 1200€ - but I want small, light, simple and precise.
I missed out on an as new Erika a few months back for 500€...
I think I'll go with the Festool, if it doesn't work out for me, it will re-sell easily.
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Post by henrun on May 12, 2019 12:42:18 GMT -5
I have a Felder K700s with digital readout and maxed out sliding table on order, du to arrive in a couple of weeks. It will be the heart in the new shop - so for the moment I am thinking I want the opposite extremes; small and limited and very large. If I were to settle for a smaller shop and a semi portable I guess the Erika 85 would be "it". I think you are making the right decision. You will either like it or love it. If it is "meh" to you it is easy to resell.
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Post by aas on May 12, 2019 20:59:31 GMT -5
Just had a quick look at the Felder - nice!!!
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Post by aas on May 28, 2019 13:41:54 GMT -5
The CS50 arrived the other day, had a quick try. It's very quiet and light. Put a 48T blade on straight away, it gives nice crisp cuts. I think it'll be good for its intended purpose. Thanks for all the comments.
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Post by dam8 on Jan 1, 2020 22:52:32 GMT -5
I’ve had my 55 since 89. Sliding table is a good way to achieve more support when making cuts. I use Forrest ww2 blades 7-1/4. They bored the arbor to 30mm for me. The thicker blade makes a more stable cut. True it doesn’t replace a chop saw, but having a second set up is invaluable
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Post by iban on Jan 22, 2021 15:06:00 GMT -5
Ah, I see. Now I remember that you mentioned that... Metabo UK290 is probably a pretty decent saw though it adds nothing over the CS50 (EDIT: except for using more standard arbor blades...) and accessories are probably a pain to find - unless you buy the complete package. I have looked at it but never seen one in the flesh. It seems to be built the old fashioned way so I would expect it to be as sturdy as the CS50 at least.
While shopping for a table saw I did find some info and the UK290 could be built up to a pretty extensive system - fully on par with Festool and probably more known in Germany but no info at all in Sweden. It could be ordered in though through a site that had it listed.
The Erika 60E is somewhat of a stealthy saw, you never see it and almost never hear about it and there are probably not too many out there but it has a following it seems. I have yet to be invited to the secret society but I can see the appeal for sure. I guess the upper echelon parquetry layers are more familiar with it. I do think that the Erika I used back in 2005/6 on a jobsite actually was the 60E. No one back then knew anything about the saw and it was a beater saw for trim work and it worked great. At first I thought maybe I had used the Erika 65 but I distinctly remember the color and the small footprint. Looked like a toy saw but cut straight. I look forward to using mine as a complimentary saw when the big boy arrives. I am happy without the add ons and might keep it at that. Sorry for refloating but as I saw this speaking about propietary blades for the cs50 (as I´m thinking in buying one) I´ve making some research and I found Bosch/freud and other german brand making that star/torx arbor blades which seems compatible. www.jjw-germany.com/de/din-en847-1-kreissaegeblaetter/d-190-x-20-torx-festoolwww.bosch-professional.com/es/es/discos-de-sierra-circular-expert-for-wood-2592812-ocs-ac/browse for 190 star blades
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Post by aas on Jan 23, 2021 0:25:28 GMT -5
Thanks, good links!.. I didn't know other blade options were readily available. I have most of the Festool blades for the saw, it is a great saw and I would buy it again.
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Post by iban on Jan 30, 2021 18:27:09 GMT -5
Take a look at the brand Stehle too www.stehle-int.com/NL/NL/media/DOK_MBR_Zaagblad-DIA-Fast-Fix--68999120_DL.pdfI´ve arrived at the same choosing point as aas and I´ve read with carefuly the thread. My scenario is different. My workshop is not a workshop, it´s just a room where I set up my tools and clean up at the end of the proyect and I won´t take the tools for location works. Saw would be for allround work and for me the reason of a pull saw is for replacing (short of) a mitre saw as I don´t have room for everything. I´ve already have a Festool MFT and MT55 for larger cuts so I´m not sure how much would I use the sliding table. I find it good for cross cutting big pieces but it is someting I can do with the plunge saw and the MFT table. I don´t want to replace the plunge saw with the table saw although it would be nice to have. The extension table is a must I think (would try to add a router table there somehow) Outfeed table is nice but the MFT table can be used as one. Rip Fence is necessary as I suppose the angle fence is not as sturdy and precise. Folding legs are great for transport but seem to be not very steady in the Festool (if it is similar to the MFT). Perhaps a folding table could be done with extruded aluminium profiles for the Erika. Pros and cons about each one: Erika: Larger cutting depth More common blades Precisio: More compatibility with MFT (angular fence, height...) Variable speed (I will cut wood and aluminium which should be cut at maximum speed I believe) Larger pull lenght? According to henrun Erika 60 has a slight advantage in precision and dust collection Price comparision (vat not included): - Precisio CS 50 EBG - Set (all included). 1.880€ - Precisio CS 50 EBG (w/ legs) 1.125€ + LA rip fence 200€ + VB table extension 250€ - Erika 60 E 1.132€ + Base 226€ + Sliding table 350€ + Rip fence 101€ + Extension table 142€ + 2x long mounting rail 172€ Complete set comparison. Festool 1.880€ vs Erika 2.122€ Saw + rip fence + table extension comparison. Festool 1.575€ vs Erika 1.547€ This is cleared a lot of doubts. Now I´m thinking in what accesories would be nice to have or which ones can I put aside and shave some money
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Post by aas on Jan 31, 2021 2:21:59 GMT -5
I didn't buy the CS50 set and wish I had, it's going to be expensive to buy the extras...
The CS50 is surprisingly stable - I've ripped over 4m timber on my own - the new version (since 2019) has swing out stabilisers on the rear set of legs - I have used these once or twice on unstable ground.
If you use the MFT, it is a no-brainer to go with the CS50.
It seems the Festool CMS setup has been / is being phased out, shame I'd like the router table for small on site work. If you can find a way to add a router to the CS50, it would be a worth while addition.
I purchased the MW1000 table to work with the CS50, and while it works as a decent outfeed or side support table, it does not 'fix' to the CS50 so I would not use it to make a router table.
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