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Post by bischbaschbosch on Feb 9, 2019 6:05:19 GMT -5
Hello all.
My first post here, and whilst predominantly a Bosch user, I do use a Mafell MT55, albeit on Bosch rails.
On to the topic at hand, benchdogs.co.uk produce a guide rail dog for Festool style rails allowing you to locate your track square using the dog holes on your bench or MFT or some such with 20mm holes.
They come with a 1/4" hex bolt which fits perfect in a Festool rail but, given the slim nature of Bosch/Mafell rails, need a bit of grinding down (the bolt head needs to be ground down to around 2.5mm to fit the rail) to work.
I not only did this but got some collars machined for me with 20mm i/d, 25mm o/d and 6mm thick. This was drilled and tapped for an M4 grub screw and opens up a whole variety of uses. I've possibly inadvertently created the most versatile bench dog out there!
See the video below for more details. Ralph at benchdogs.co.uk has said he'll look into providing a Bosch/Mafell guide rail fixing option for the dogs so, if these interest you, it'd be worth contacting him before purchasing.
Any question or thoughts welcome.
Cheers.
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Post by kraftt on Feb 9, 2019 16:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by bischbaschbosch on Feb 10, 2019 7:08:24 GMT -5
Hello Kraftt. Your cut? Lol...that'd be nice. You're assuming prematurely I'm making money on or am selling these. Unfortunately not. I'm not so equipped. Couple of points though: your collars (although very nicely machined) have an o/d greater than 25mm by the looks of it so won't align with standard dogs. This makes yours rather more limited. The "precision rail dogs" you linked are exactly the same as those sold by benchdogs.co.uk - except black. Like the ones from benchdogs.co.uk, Precision's only appear to be available with the Festool style hex bolt fixing. benchdogs at least are looking into a Mafell/Bosch rail fixing option following my demonstration vid. Fair play to them. In short, my adapted and tweaked rail dog w/collar is by far the most versatile and discrete I've seen, as I hope the video demonstrates. Feel free to copy it knowing I look for no cut  |
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Post by kraftt on Feb 10, 2019 10:09:15 GMT -5
yeah, that’s kind of the idea. Why bother with competing static dog dimensions, just use preferred machined billet tuned to your top (if you drill/fab your own sac tops etc.) or standardize on any preferred dog suppliers non shouldered diameter & lengths and then choose from / pair with an almost infinite range of in stock shaft collars. (Ruland etc.)
No need to restrict yourself to collar diameter just because a small speciality mfg makes their shoulders a particular size. But even if you’re vested in one size shouldered collars already how often are you really using more than two for one axis that using a wider diameter pair on the other angle is an issue. And you have to think that if mix / matching is important when you are limited to the number of dogs on hand that having everything as a component is more versatile.
The ones in the photos are just some job leftovers we ordered from a supplier (with an o.d. of 35mm) for about 11 bucks each. The advantage of using shaft collars vs set-screw is that they are designed to clamp the rod without marring it whereas each time a set-screw is snugged up it is biting into the rod. If repeated adjustability is the intention here the rods could start to look like chewed pencils after a while. I’ll assume your 25mm o.d. collars are tightly machined so it might get difficult to slide them after a while too. The work around of using a nylon screw, or one with a nylon tipped head, could be a challenge with only 2.5mm of wall thickness to work with.
There are a lot of ways to skin a cat and you have to weigh what works best you and most efficiently for each task / job. I’m just not big on adjusting then dropping a track/dog combo into holes vs the speed of butting it against the dogs and being able to temporarily move track out of the way and then quickly replace it.
Regardless - even though I invented nothing, I still fully expect my cut.
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Post by bischbaschbosch on Feb 10, 2019 12:04:57 GMT -5
You raise some interesting points Kraftt.
So, of the manufactured bench dogs I've seen for 20mm holes, the o/d of the shoulder section is 25mm. This includes those from UJK, Veritas and Woodpeckers that I've seen here in the UK. This I assume is why the smaller speciality manufacturers are going with 25mm o/d, and ultimately why I did.
Of course, if you use something different or have the ability to turn your own then yeh, have whatever o/d you want. For the rest of us, going by manufacturer dimensions makes more sense.
The grub screws I use have a rounded tip and as yet, haven't marred the dog. My first set of collars were in aluminium and did struggle to hold the thread after a few uses. However, as mentioned in the video (the recordings are a month or so behind where I'm actually at), I had a few steel collars made which, even given the 2.5 wall thickness, provide plenty of bite and the thread holds. I'm a working carpenter and use them every day. No marring and no problems. It is something for others to think about when choosing a fixing option if they attempt something similar.
There's nothing original about a collar on a shaft of course. What is unique in the world of bench dogs is one where, in combination with an adjustable collar, the dog body has a fixing compatible with not only Bosch/Mafell rails, but also slot 6 profile. This allows use for guide rail support including for very small workpieces, use as a standard dog given manufactures use 25mm o/d, use a fence dog holding the profile from below so descrete and unobtrusive and, finally can function as a platform for supporting unusual work.
There's nothing new under the sun but as yet, no one dog offers the versatility as the one I demonstrate in the video above for Mafell/Bosch users.
You're welcome!
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Post by bischbaschbosch on Feb 16, 2019 7:35:38 GMT -5
Hello again. Pleased to announce as an update to my original post that benchdogs.co.uk are now offering a machined bolt fixing for their guide rail dogs for use with Mafell and Bosch guide rails following my reaching out to them. benchdogs.co.uk/products/mafell-bosch-guide-rail-dogsThey have also added a B-Collar to their product list for use with the guide rail dog to set workpiece height and eliminate rail bowing. Although only a 9mm collar is on the product page at the moment, Ralph at benchdogs.co.uk tells me they'll be offering a range of depths including 6, 9, 12,15,18 & 25mm. benchdogs.co.uk/products/b-collarWas going to add images but for some reason, even though well under the size limit, still comes up as over the size limit. Oh well, the links supplied have the relevant images. All the best. |
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Post by kraftt on Feb 16, 2019 20:36:49 GMT -5
ooh, I'd like it if they also sold those bolts separately. I imagine they are a reasonably snug fit to the underside of the rails i.e. they center themselves (?)
btw- To post images you can use vgy.me and select one of the IMG file codes offered, after uploading images, to enter in posts here.
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Post by bischbaschbosch on Feb 17, 2019 8:39:17 GMT -5
Hello kraftt. Good points all. I'll hopefully have a pair of the new compatible dogs in my hands soon with a B-Collar to try out so I'll report back on the fit as and when. I sent Ralph a technical drawing of a cross section of Bosch/Mafell rails so I imagine he's machined down the bolt heads to a snug fit, certainly as far as thickness goes. What the fit is like for the head in the width of the T, or the threaded part of the bolt in the slot, I can't say but am intrigued about. I say this as mine took some fettering to get right. I'm hoping he picked up a piece of Mafell or Bosch rail to test the fit! He didn't seem fully aware of their existence before I started probing him. Like I say, soon as I can get my hands on a pair I'll report back with regards to fit. I'll ask if he'll be up for selling just the bolts too. Thanks for the heads up on vgy.me. Lets see if it works with the original pics I was gonna upload...   Ha! Success. Thanks kraftt |
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Post by kraftt on Feb 17, 2019 9:20:19 GMT -5
It’s great to have another source for ready made rail bolts, besides Kreg and in a different thread, if he will consider selling them apart and maybe in different lengths as a special order or limited runs.
I’m sure their snugness is fine since they still need to slide / adjust, and even if there was some minor variation between rails etc. I would assume pushing the Dog&Bolt combo to one side of the slot (same side for each) while tightening by hand quickly sets them up parallel with s/g.
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Post by bischbaschbosch on Apr 16, 2019 12:17:58 GMT -5
Hello again.
As promised, a report back on the guide rail dog and collar setup as now manufactured by benchdogs.co.uk - see my YouTube vid below for details.
In this particular vid I focus on the dog/collar setups use for ripping thin strips and sizing small material.
On the subject of YouTube, in the last hour or so I was informed I have a couple of comments awaiting review. This struck me as odd as all comments are public on my channel. Turns out YouTube classed it as "likely spam" as someone tried to post the exact same comment under several videos. So what's the relevance? Well, the commenter calls themselves "Mr Mafell" on YouTube and wrote "Just found out this guy is a member on the forum where he stole my product idea from. See comment below."
So, it should be clear from this thread that I posted here in good faith. I didn't hide my collar design nor the fact that I'd done YouTube videos on it (I promoted it here!!), nor that I'd reached out to a company to see if they'd make it. Nor did I quibble when kraftt said they'd already done something similar. Didn't surprise me. It's a simple and neat idea and, when I purchased my original set of guide rail dogs, it was my own necessity driving what I thought my own invention.
The point being, nothing was stolen. Nothing was hidden. My intent to share here was honest, as should be quite clear from the very fact I started this thread and posted the videos here in the first place!! I wasn't even aware of this forum before searching if something like FOG or BOB was available for Mafell users.
So, whoever Mr Mafell is on here, by all means comment on my videos, good or bad, all are welcome. But please do not try to claim my own hard work and expense as your own. The same good idea can be born by different parties at different times independently.
Hope you enjoy the video!
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Post by bischbaschbosch on Apr 16, 2019 12:55:59 GMT -5
Ooh...I forgot to post another video for those of you here who might use the Festool Domino - or for that matter a Mafell DD40/DDF40.
It's by Peter Millard on YouTube and he uses the B-Collar with the Super Dog from benchdogs.co.uk as a hold down.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 16, 2019 18:36:02 GMT -5
Hello again. As promised, a report back on the guide rail dog and collar setup as now manufactured by benchdogs.co.uk - see my YouTube vid below for details. In this particular vid I focus on the dog/collar setups use for ripping thin strips and sizing small material. On the subject of YouTube, in the last hour or so I was informed I have a couple of comments awaiting review. This struck me as odd as all comments are public on my channel. Turns out YouTube classed it as "likely spam" as someone tried to post the exact same comment under several videos. So what's the relevance? Well, the commenter calls themselves "Mr Mafell" on YouTube and wrote "Just found out this guy is a member on the forum where he stole my product idea from. See comment below." So, it should be clear from this thread that I posted here in good faith. I didn't hide my collar design nor the fact that I'd done YouTube videos on it (I promoted it here!!), nor that I'd reached out to a company to see if they'd make it. Nor did I quibble when kraftt said they'd already done something similar. Didn't surprise me. It's a simple and neat idea and, when I purchased my original set of guide rail dogs, it was my own necessity driving what I thought my own invention. The point being, nothing was stolen. Nothing was hidden. My intent to share here was honest, as should be quite clear from the very fact I started this thread and posted the videos here in the first place!! I wasn't even aware of this forum before searching if something like FOG or BOB was available for Mafell users. So, whoever Mr Mafell is on here, by all means comment on my videos, good or bad, all are welcome. But please do not try to claim my own hard work and expense as your own. The same good idea can be born by different parties at different times independently. Yes, yes you’re so honest and open. The point here is your creation of the notion to your different feeds / channels / audience, that you cultivate, is that you are ‘inventing’ this stuff. That is not my opinion, it’s yours. It’s what you are going out of your way to tell people. ‘Your’ hard work. You’ve also carefully chosen to avoid mentioning the ‘wafell’ here and try to diffuse the facts and make it about these collars. So let’s talk about that. When you claim “ I've possibly inadvertently created the most versatile bench dog out there! ” that level of disconnect deserves some ribbing (though I made it constructive and if you listened clued you into your width being too thin). Besides collars being an accessory to existing dogs you see it as inventing a new bench dog(?) There are hundreds of manufactures that make precision shaft-stop-collars in any size you want, much in stock both the set screw type and clamping type /split clamping type in both imperial & metric.etc. Old news. Not something a craftsman has to think they invented. Nor build really as they are cheaper and more precise to buy. Their use with mafell & Bosch track has been done for some time, that was why I included precisiondogs.us/products/precision-rail-dogs as an example. My realization a few years back was that if I used a collar I could lower existing dogs just below my mafell saw base to let the saw pass but still high enough to register the rail. It allowed me to have longer dogs that when coupled with a collar made them adjustable & more versatile. I contacted precisiondogs because I had heard they could / would machine up longer shafts/dogs for a project I had. Didn’t want their thick/tall collars because that interfered with cutting thin sheet stock and I already had some from Ruland collars that were perfect. I didn’t exclaim to the world that I invented a new dog collar like you and make fantasy videos pretending to invent something. I did a simple google search and bought some parts. In passing I posted it in someone else’s thread only because someone asked me to clarify a post. My original example at the top of this thread of two old sources (there are more), one selling them already and one describing specific use with mafell / Bosch rail (on the same forum you posted your ‘break out’ video on) was to ask how in the heck someone could be deep into the Bosch/ mafell track saw camp, making videos, posting etc. and feign ignorance that a simple google search for dogs would have immediately revealed? Even just searching this site lol. And that’s pretty much where I left it, just figured you would see the absurdity of your claim and left a final upbeat post about how I liked the new bolts. I saw the red flag typical of a lot of guys feeding their channels but I had my say and left it alone giving you the benefit of the doubt. Now, after you’ve become a member here, you suddenly post a video fully lifting the ‘wafell’ product I posted on these same forums in 2017. Something that I actually did conceive and that I went into great detail about. And then portray yourself in the video inventing it: BischBaschBosch - " The Bosch / Mafell guide rails have a channel up the center that their clever connecter piece slides into. This got me thinking that I could utilize this by shaping a runner attached to the underside of the saw which is what you see me doing here." If you’re trying to convince anyone that the second time is also a coincidence at this point you’re only reinforcing the opposite. Your response was to wrap yourself in words like honesty & good faith (Heavens to Betsy! I would never do something like that). Well, I'm calling - BULLSHIT. See the problem with your posturing honesty & good faith is that months later you didn’t change or add anything to your videos pointing out or correcting that this has been done before. If it’s all about sharing, that’s fine. But your little films portray you as the creator. Why wouldn’t you have at least thrown precisiondogs a bone if you were so ’transparent’ knowing what you know now? Would take 3 minutes to edit. And how in the hell is your ‘wafell’ rip off video still up? Lastly - how did any of this need to be explained to you? |
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Post by bischbaschbosch on Apr 17, 2019 4:23:40 GMT -5
Good lord...not sure I've ever read so much entitled guff in my life! Kraftt/Mr Mafell = the only brain in town eh?
So, to the "wafell" you accuse me of "carefully chosen to avoid mentioning". First time I've heard of it or seen it is your mentioning it on this thread in your latest post.
I did just search the forum in search of "wafell" and well done you. Very neat. I actually mean that, it looks legit.
But here's the rub, I wasn't aware of it when I made mine. As I said in the video, my making of such an adaptor plate at that time came from a genuine need to accurately cross cut in a compact environment - no room for the mitre saw and workbench, no justification for spending several hundred pounds on a KSS or some such...yet.
This was actually a different process to creating it than you claim in your wafell thread. You initially created the plate to stop toppling at 45 degrees. You only mention cross cutting application as an afterthought. Mine was the reverse. I needed an impromptu cross cut saw. That it served as an anti tip device was only an afterthought. I hope you're already getting the picture that people can create essentially the same thing unbeknownst to each other?
In fact, this wasn't my first attempt at creating a cross cut saw in this fashion. My first attempt was a year or so ago where I had a mate at a truck repair depot drill and tap through the Bosch connector plate - which took some doing, it's pretty tough stuff. You might be able to spot on my older vids that my connector plate has holes where there should be none. It worked OK but as soon as there was any dust build up, it would jam and grind. My adjoining of the angle rail (FSN-WAN) to a short piece of rail was done back then too. That's why in my vid you'll notice some corrosion of the steel flat bar connecting the two pieces.
With you having now made me aware of your wafell plate, I've no problem saying that as far as I know now, you came up with this first. Your claim to uniqueness is heard. However, as I was unaware of it, so I've no problem claiming my own uniqueness. Why the hell would I have mentioned in my vids something I was completely unaware of? You're under some illusion that, just because I started this thread here thinking the rail dog and collar combo might be of interest, I've trawled the threads looking for ideas to steal. In fact, you directly accuse me of such and it's bull!
If I'm aware of a good idea I've discovered from someone else and demonstrate it in a vid, I say so. There's precedent for this on my channel. My videos titled "Bosch GFF 18V GUF 18V Biscuit Jointer" and "Bosch 18V 1/4" Router" are both videos where I demonstrate turning an 18V angle grinder and die grinder respectively into a biscuit jointer and router. These I first learned of from Bosch_PT_Fan (HIGW65) and credit him accordingly. That's how I roll.
As to the rail dogs and collars.
My claim “I've possibly inadvertently created the most versatile bench dog out there! ”
stands. My video posts here are testament to that. I don't claim to have "invented" anything. But I did combine existing components, and adapt them, to create an extremely versatile dog.
Nothing you've posted here comes close to the versatility of my original rail dog and collar combo.
Much of that versatility comes from the way I shaped the bolt head allowing it not only to work in the guide rail clamp slots but also in 20mm slot 6 aluminium profile. This combined with the 25 o/d collars - matching the o/d of pretty much all commercially available standard bench dogs - provide a host of uses making them unique. Viewers of this forum only need watch the video in my first post to see that. Why would I credit anyone else? Particularly as when I initially posted here I was unaware anyone else had even attempted a lockable collar for bench dogs!
Making the collars for me was a necessity from my very first use with the rail dogs. The guide rail would just seesaw over the material and a collar was the obvious fix.
This isn't the problem you designed your collars to solve was it Kraftt? In fact, your initial response to me here showed that your collar was for a single, rather limited use - to be able to butt Bosch/Mafell rails up to a dog and avoid the saw base hitting the dog top.
You know what, this is about the only use I've not demonstrated for my combo. I do plan to do a follow up vid to my latest one as we've now solved the fence problem for ripping I demonstrate at the end. I might tack on a section illustrating that, if preferred, the rail dog-collar combo can be used to just butt the rail up to and credit you for that particular use. I might even mention in it that you're trying to claim my work as your own - and you think I'm doing the same - and direct people via a link to this thread so they can make up their own minds.
Are my original collars too thin? In aluminium yes and I say this in my first vid on the dogs. However, I've had a whole batch made with 20mm i/d and 25mm o/d in steel which hold the thread fine and are in daily use. When I say "batch" I mean I had several made in different heights - 6/9/12/18/40mm - for my most commonly cut stock.
I really hoped after my initial communications with benchdogs.co.uk that they'd produce the collars with - at least partially - a 25mm o/d so they would align with standard dogs. As I mention, I understand why in aluminium they've gone for a larger diameter. Still a really useful product though and it's nice that a company actually responds to customer requests not just for adding collars to their products but also a Bosch/Mafell rail compatible nut to the rail dog.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 17, 2019 21:46:19 GMT -5
Good lord...not sure I've ever read so much entitled guff in my life! Kraftt/Mr Mafell = the only brain in town eh?
See that’s just it - entitled. To feed your channel you feel entitled to both appropriate & omit.
So, to the "wafell" you accuse me of "carefully chosen to avoid mentioning". First time I've heard of it or seen it is your mentioning it on this thread in your latest post.
You’re ridiculous. You wrote above - “So what's the relevance? Well, the commenter calls themselves "Mr Mafell" on YouTube and wrote "Just found out this guy is a member on the forum where he stole my product idea from. See comment below."
That ‘comment below’ was right under the one you just quoted and that ‘comment below’ provided a link to the wafell. And those comments were posted at your wafell video. Regardless, you would have read all comments because you had them taken down.
So if your all about being upfront then you won’t mind me reposting a comment saying “And here’s a link to a thread where they posted the same thing back in 2017, where BBB is a member”. It’s a fair comment & it’s true.
So describe what the problem would be with that? Your audience? (don’t worry - posting the comment is a hypothetical question).
But here's the rub, I wasn't aware of it <wafell> when I made mine.
You’re not aware of much are you. You’ve never seen a shaft collar before either. And forget precisiondogs and his “hard work”. Yet you’ve got all the tools, linking to others feeds to grow your audience, making videos talking about all the sundry products…
fwiw - I have other posts here with photos attaching a square/45 to the rail in use with the wafell.
My claim “I've possibly inadvertently created the most versatile bench dog out there! ”
stands. My video posts here are testament to that. I don't claim to have "invented" anything. But I did combine existing components, and adapt them, to create an extremely versatile dog.
You do understand that the definition of ‘invent’ in the dictionary is literally - “to create”, right?. And you didn’t create/invent a new bench dog you created a dual use bolt head. Industry has been using stop collars on rod forever, every machinist / engineer employs them in jigs, etc. And why is precisiondogs combo of collar & rod any less versatile? Doesn’t he have bolts out the top too? Just unthread one style bolt head for another. An existing idea that works with different brand rails isn’t the same?
If you had said that you had created a bolt head to fit two different guides and left it at that - cool. It’s a time saver instead of just unthreading one style bolt head and exchanging it for another. But does that make the dog more versatile or the bolt head more versatile?
(btw - We’ve all got drawer fulls of bolt heads we’ve ground to compound shapes - it’s a necessity for quickly building up jigs.)
Nothing you've posted here comes close to the versatility of my original rail dog and collar combo.
Let’s set the record straight, at the beginning of this thread I said - “I invented nothing”. You’re misdirecting. The links to collars on dogs posted here and precisionsdog's collar/dog/bolt combo were used as examples of preexisting uses and products.
This was actually a different process to creating it than you claim in your wafell thread. You initially created the plate to stop toppling at 45 degrees. You only mention cross cutting application as an afterthought. Mine was the reverse. I needed an impromptu cross cut saw. That it served as an anti tip device was only an afterthought. I hope you're already getting the picture that people can create essentially the same thing unbeknownst to each other?
In fact, this wasn't my first attempt at creating a cross cut saw in this fashion. My first attempt was a year or so ago where I had a mate at a truck repair depot drill and tap through the Bosch connector plate - which took some doing, it's pretty tough stuff. You might be able to spot on my older vids that my connector plate has holes where there should be none. It worked OK but as soon as there was any dust build up, it would jam and grind. My adjoining of the angle rail (FSN-WAN) to a short piece of rail was done back then too. That's why in my vid you'll notice some corrosion of the steel flat bar connecting the two pieces.
With you having now made me aware of your wafell plate, I've no problem saying that as far as I know now, you came up with this first. Your claim to uniqueness is heard. However, as I was unaware of it, so I've no problem claiming my own uniqueness. Why the hell would I have mentioned in my vids something I was completely unaware of? You're under some illusion that, just because I started this thread here thinking the rail dog and collar combo might be of interest, I've trawled the threads looking for ideas to steal. In fact, you directly accuse me of such and it's bull!
If I'm aware of a good idea I've discovered from someone else and demonstrate it in a vid, I say so. There's precedent for this on my channel. My videos titled "Bosch GFF 18V GUF 18V Biscuit Jointer" and "Bosch 18V 1/4" Router" are both videos where I demonstrate turning an 18V angle grinder and die grinder respectively into a biscuit jointer and router. These I first learned of from Bosch_PT_Fan (HIGW65) and credit him accordingly. That's how I roll.
See here’s what it boils down to. I really don’t care about the stupid wafell or collars that everyone has been using for eons. Bringing up the wafell, which was definitely my prerogative, was used to further the example to others of how you portray yourself. And both represent a trend you display of claiming both convenient ignorance & invention at the same time. That’s compounded by not acknowledging in your videos that dogs with adjustable collars & bolts have been around for a while. Acknowledging it here, where maybe 5 people on the planet are bothering to read this and 3 of them got bored a long time ago, wouldn’t mean much. But why you won’t acknowledge this in your videos is what’s suspect in my opinion as it wouldn’t diminish the message unless your feel it threatens your standing somehow. And the type of acknowledgment I’m talking about is what we typically see over & over again in most of these types of blogging videos - “here’s an update” etc. blah, blah or “I learned that these have been around for a while but I’m really proud of my bolt heads… etc.”.
In the case of the wafell, just saying that; “Saw this idea and here’s how I’m using it” would have been sufficient, or even “I learned this has been posted before on some tool forums.” I couldn’t care less if the made up name kraftt was mentioned or not, nor if you mentioned where you saw it.
I do care though that you are honest with the audience, which I am made to be, and not distort the optics.
Anyways, I’m sure you have more rationalizations but this is tedious and I’ve had my say here.
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Post by bischbaschbosch on Apr 18, 2019 4:08:18 GMT -5
"In the case of the wafell, just saying that; “Saw this idea and here’s how I’m using it” would have been sufficient
"aaaannd this is the crux of our difference here and what I've been trying to explain to you. I did NOT see your idea!.
Like you, I was faced with a problem and went for a simple solution. In my case, an impromptu cross cut saw, in yours, and anti-tilt device. The solutions were the same. The shear arrogance to think that you, and only you, could ever have thought of that is just ludicrous. I mean, it's not like Bosch/Mafell hadn't already come up with the bloody connector plate - which is all our idea amounts to save for it being mountable to the saw. As I said before, my first attempt some time ago was actually using the connector plate! I give credit where it's due - always - as is demonstrable from my past videos. If I had genuinely seen the "wafell" before making my own plate I would have said so. But I didn't. That's the fact of the matter and the end of it. It's clear however you will not allow yourself to believe otherwise. There's little I can do about that. Consider this though: why on earth would I, had I seen your previous dog collar and wafell, continue posting here with links to my channel and videos? Would that not strike you as a little moronic if I, as you wrongly accuse me of, had stolen your ideas? Your accusations make no sense in this context. Now, I'm a reasonable guy and know this whole exchange is more of a "great minds think alike" situation than what you're attempting to make it out to be. As such, I'm quite willing to acknowledge your wafell retrospectively, stating my idea wasn't as original as I thought and will pin a comment below my cross cut saw video saying so and insert a link to your wafell thread. Here's the comment I've just pinned below the vid: "Turns out the idea of fixing a plate to the bottom of your saw to run in the rail as shown in my video wasn't as original as I thought. A contributor on the Mafell forum did this a while ago - and a rather more professional looking attempt at that. See the link below for what he (kraftt) called the "Wafell". mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/913/wafell"Hopefully you see that as fair and neutral. Any continuation of this "you stole my idea" nonsense is out of order and unfounded. This is all I have to say on the matter Link to my cross cut saw vid below.
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