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DDF 40
Jan 4, 2019 16:57:17 GMT -5
Post by ck on Jan 4, 2019 16:57:17 GMT -5
@eoj, what is the brand of the F clamp that you use for your DD40?
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DDF 40
Jan 4, 2019 17:06:33 GMT -5
Post by henrun on Jan 4, 2019 17:06:33 GMT -5
Looks great! I am not sure the DDF 40 fills a spot in my setup though I am willing to give it some more time. My colleague really enjoys his Mafell DD40G (my old one) though I am still more prone to reaching for the Domino. I will say that the precision with the Mafell is higher and it does those nice rows of holes of course.
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DDF 40
Jan 4, 2019 20:16:19 GMT -5
Post by Eoj on Jan 4, 2019 20:16:19 GMT -5
@eoj, what is the brand of the F clamp that you use for your DD40? Bought the mafell clamps, one standard and the clamp that sets the zero point for the template. Did the hose snap-bands come with it ? No ,bought several pairs to replace Velcro straps .The “K-Fix” straps are much easier to use than Velcro.
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DDF 40
Jan 6, 2019 1:55:18 GMT -5
Post by aas on Jan 6, 2019 1:55:18 GMT -5
Looks great! I am not sure the DDF 40 fills a spot in my setup though I am willing to give it some more time. My colleague really enjoys his Mafell DD40G (my old one) though I am still more prone to reaching for the Domino. I will say that the precision with the Mafell is higher and it does those nice rows of holes of course. Do you regret getting rid of the DD40G ?.. if you had to choose between the G and the F which would you prefer to use?
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Post by henrun on Jan 7, 2019 14:59:23 GMT -5
Looks great! I am not sure the DDF 40 fills a spot in my setup though I am willing to give it some more time. My colleague really enjoys his Mafell DD40G (my old one) though I am still more prone to reaching for the Domino. I will say that the precision with the Mafell is higher and it does those nice rows of holes of course. Do you regret getting rid of the DD40G ?.. if you had to choose between the G and the F which would you prefer to use? Well, I think the DD40G was "quirky" in a way though the simplicity of the machine would make up for that to a certain extent. My old machine is being used by a colleague/friend of mine so I do get to borrow it should I ever need to. I got rid of it when I got the Lamello Zeta P2 - though they are quite different.
The DDF40 does address some of the issues I had with the DD40G. It is a little more versatile and the accessories are pretty well thought out.
I had (another) lengthy discussion about the Mafell today with the colleague that has the DD40G; we both have the Domino DF500 and on top of that I have the Domino XL and the Lamello. My main concern is having all four leads to a slight confusion in the long run as to which machine to reach for when doing similar or "cross-over" tasks.
For my colleague the precision of the Mafell DDF40 and DD40G are instrumental and he would not want to compromise on that. For me, personally, I like the slight play of the Domino for a lot of reasons. The machines are different enough to warrant having both though! My colleague is not liking the Domino DF500 as much as I am. He is a very skilled custom kitchen builder and does really well with just the DD40G and he would do as well or perhaps even better with the DDF40 due to the accessories.
I would probably opt for the DDF40 still, though I think the DD40G would make for a "bargain" if found second hand. I got my DD40G second hand and topping up the missing pieces put me too close to the mark of a new one so the term "bargain" is questionable.
I think I need more time and devote more projects to the Lamello for sure. It was this one big project that landed me the option of the Mafell DDF40 though I am not entirely sure it fills a void or a long term purpose in my shop/outfit so time will tell if I will let go of one of the four.
I simply can't get rid of the Domino DF500.
I would not want to get rid of the Lamello Zeta P2. But I am not depending on it as a bread and butter machine.
I don't have much use for the Domino XL. There are a few times it is handy though.
I am still warming up to the DDF40 though I am not entirely sold on the necessity of it for me since I am not that much into building cabinets where I think it excels.
If I didn't have the Lamello I would definitely go for the DDF40. Choosing between the Lamello and the DDF40 would be tougher if I were to do it all over again.
If the Domino wasn't invented I would probably settle for the DDF40 as the go-to machine, it is that versatile. The Lamello is even more expensive (!) and I would not have gotten it unless it was on sale at the time. I really like it though.
I should really slim things down to two machines but the Domino XL I almost count as a twin partner to the DF500 so it counts as "one" - right?
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Post by chippiegary on Jan 7, 2019 17:14:01 GMT -5
Very well put henrun as always , remember he who has the most is the best 😂😂
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Post by aas on Jan 8, 2019 14:36:18 GMT -5
Good reply Henrun, thanks.
I too have the Zeta P2 and it is in my eyes unbeatable... I would like to add the Domino DF500 to the stable though. The DD40P is an accurate and powerful tool, the only appeal of the DDF40 for me is registering of the base, a quick an easy reference point.
For basic biscuit work, I have the Makita 18v, it is not a bad machine, and it was cheaper than the biscuit blade for the Zeta - no changing either!
The DDF40 was tempting me, but I think added to the Zeta P2, DD40P, and Makita 18v biscuit jointer - it's the Festool DF500 that makes most sense.
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Post by henrun on Jan 9, 2019 13:57:12 GMT -5
Good reply Henrun, thanks. I too have the Zeta P2 and it is in my eyes unbeatable... I would like to add the Domino DF500 to the stable though. The DD40P is an accurate and powerful tool, the only appeal of the DDF40 for me is registering of the base, a quick an easy reference point. For basic biscuit work, I have the Makita 18v, it is not a bad machine, and it was cheaper than the biscuit blade for the Zeta - no changing either! The DDF40 was tempting me, but I think added to the Zeta P2, DD40P, and Makita 18v biscuit jointer - it's the Festool DF500 that makes most sense. Yes, I think you got it down to what I kind of know "deep inside" which is that the Domino DF500 and the Lamello Zeta P2 makes for a very good and versatile pairing. Unless you sometimes need larger /deeper mortising where I could see (and have used) the larger Domino.
A larger custom interior job paid for the Lamello and the first day of use was bliss - making custom sized frames for wall panels and acoustic baffles : impeccable precision, easy and solid mounting with no glue, masking tape or screws/pins/nails.
No queue of panels being clamped square waiting for glue to cure and no mess at the work site.
A clean, solid and professional install - also it can be taken apart without ruining the panels - which I will actually have to do next week as they are changing to smaller speakers in some of the custom frames/baffles!
I can't even think of the horror of breaking apart glued and nailed acoustic panels in the hope of reusing them... From a day and a half (making new ones and taking them through the paint booth) to a two hour fix.
Gotta love the Lamello...
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Post by aas on Jan 10, 2019 16:22:36 GMT -5
...unless your using Divario - then the Zeta P2 and DD40P make the perfect pair! (add a jig and a Festool Gecko to hold the jig!)
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mattj
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DDF 40
Jan 10, 2019 18:37:45 GMT -5
Post by mattj on Jan 10, 2019 18:37:45 GMT -5
Henrun,
Just curious, do you think that the Domino XL plus small cutter adapter would be a viable substitute for owning two machines (XL plus DF500), or is the 500 that much better (versatile? easier? flexible?) a machine than the XL?
I own the 500, never used the XL. I don't use the 500 often enough justify owning both, but every now and then it would be nice to have the big guy so I'm wondering if having just the XL would suffice.
I'm sure I could find this discussion elsewhere on the web, but please don't make me go over there...
Thanks
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Post by henrun on Jan 11, 2019 10:35:26 GMT -5
Henrun, Just curious, do you think that the Domino XL plus small cutter adapter would be a viable substitute for owning two machines (XL plus DF500), or is the 500 that much better (versatile? easier? flexible?) a machine than the XL? I own the 500, never used the XL. I don't use the 500 often enough justify owning both, but every now and then it would be nice to have the big guy so I'm wondering if having just the XL would suffice. I'm sure I could find this discussion elsewhere on the web, but please don't make me go over there... Thanks Short answer is No.
I have the Seneca adapter but the DF500 is so much nicer when working sheet goods and cabinets and for basically everything within the capabilities of the machine. I am not saying that just because I have had the DF500 since it came out on the market.
I was toying with the idea of "getting by" with just the XL but after making a few frames with smaller stock I realised the workflow with the DF500 was so much better, same with shelves etc. Also my Domino was a beater Domino and close to ten years old. I was offered a new one in exchange for mine since I had the metal pins on my DF500. I happily switched since I don't consider the metal pins a stand out feature. (Mafell patent infringement by Festool so they had to stop using them shortly after releasing the DF500.)
I used the Domino XL yesterday with the 14mm cutter, joining a framework for a sliding glass door. It was the right machine for the job and very easy to work with.
Material joined was 42x180mm (2x7") and I used the XL Dominos both for support and alignment - added a little notch on the "stiles" so that the cross beam didn't depend solely on the 14mm Domino biscuits, two in each end.
Very happy to have the XL for that particular job - though we did use my colleagues XL and not mine.
This was the first time in eight months that I used the XL though... ...I could maybe have worked out a solution with the DF500 using 10mm Dominos. The DF500 gets used every now and then and is great to have on site for odd solutions too.
My colleague hasn't used the XL since we shared another large job for which he bought it. He also owns the DF500 and uses it a lot but the XL has only been used ONCE, a year and a half ago!
We both do general carpentry, kitchens and interiors, sometimes furniture.
Since you have the Domino I would not recommend selling it to get the XL with the adapter. Ergonomics for the bread and butter Domino joinery takes a toll for sure. If you are a working pro I would get the XL if you get a large enough project to warrant it and then you could see if it is a keeper.
I think if I did more of a certain type of job, say building large doors and beds or stairs I would use the XL a lot more. Even if I was in that category I would still want and have plenty of use for the DF500.
I am happy to have both but feel a little sting every now and then for not using the XL more. I have never considered selling the DF500 except for that time I bought the XL and thought maybe I could slim down the outfit. I could sell the XL and borrow my colleagues (his suggestion) but I hate being dependent on other peoples gear so I keep the XL around.
Kind of a circular argument but it all boils down to the fact for me that the DF500 is a keeper regardless of whatever is out there on the market but the XL is a perfect extension of the DF500 - not a substitute.
I think Festool was thinking that too and in this case they are right on the money in that assessment.
I could see the potential in mixing the XL with the Lamello or the DD40G or DDF40 - for sure. Just to rattle your brain a little.
But the XL will always be the "extension" of another machine and not so much a do-it-all.
What would impress me would be a new version of the DF500 in a scaled down shape and the same ergonomics as the XL. I added a grip on my DF500 - which actually improved handling so much I can't help thinking Festool could improve the ergonomics if they did too. The mk I grip turned out so good I never bothered making it more visually appealing - it simply works. Basically I turned the DF500 into a "mini-XL" with the new grip...
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mattj
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DDF 40
Jan 11, 2019 21:09:44 GMT -5
Post by mattj on Jan 11, 2019 21:09:44 GMT -5
That confirms my hunch, thanks. Any pics of that grip on the DF500?
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Post by henrun on Jan 14, 2019 1:29:42 GMT -5
Will post this afternoon. (CET)
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Post by henrun on Jan 14, 2019 16:54:05 GMT -5
This is the Mk I handle, it worked so well I haven't bothered with a more "elegant" solution. It still fits the Systainer (no insert though) and it does not move around in use. Both vertical and hotizontal plunging is much improved and no fatigue from doing many horizontal plunges in one go. Cost next to nothing to fix.
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DDF 40
Jan 14, 2019 16:57:47 GMT -5
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Post by arvid on Jan 14, 2019 16:57:47 GMT -5
This is the Mk I handle, it worked so well I haven't bothered with a more "elegant" solution. It still fits the Systainer (no insert though) and it does not move around in use. Both vertical and hotizontal plunging is much improved and no fatigue from doing many horizontal plunges in one go. Cost next to nothing to fix. I have the same felder shaper as you. How do you like the edge sander? I have the felder panel saw kappa40, shaper. Line bored and small edgebanger
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