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Post by chippiegary on Oct 13, 2018 3:00:12 GMT -5
Hi guys well I didn’t buy the kss60 due to a number of reasons , the main being it’s too similar to my kss 50 , they have definitely reduced the body size next to the kss50 you have to really look to see the difference , clever considering blade size and cut has stayed the same . Here’s the big question power in an 18 v battery ? Well I tried it alongside the kss 50 and it certainly seemed a LITTLE bit more powerful but in my opinion not enough so , was too much like the 50 for me , which we all have found to be a bit underpowered in wet timber etc , if I didn’t have the 50 I would buy it for the extra depth now it is smaller in size but if I was doing a lot of framing would buy corded , to be honest it may be ok I would like some serious framers to give their opinions on it before I parted with my cash . All the same beautiful saw seemed well balanced and not unwieldy at all , may even sell the kss50 and get one for extra depth alone . Didn’t come out of show unscathed though bought mafell 18v drill non impact version seems great
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Post by jozsefkozma on Oct 13, 2018 8:45:00 GMT -5
I don’t consider myself a serious framer but I
don’t see an 18 V producing enough power
I only used the Kss 50 and Hkc 55 both are exelent
for light framing but with wet lumber and past
2X6 it didn’t perform well
I had excellent results with both doing plates ,
sheeting and exterior trim board
The 50 is more powerful then the hkc
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Post by jozsefkozma on Oct 13, 2018 8:45:16 GMT -5
I don’t consider myself a serious framer but I
don’t see an 18 V producing enough power
I only used the Kss 50 and Hkc 55 both are exelent
for light framing but with wet lumber and past
2X6 it didn’t perform well
I had excellent results with both doing plates ,
sheeting and exterior trim board
The 50 is more powerful then the hkc
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Post by jozsefkozma on Oct 13, 2018 8:48:02 GMT -5
I really wish for a 2x18 V solution
I would by it immidietly
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Post by huntsgemein on Oct 13, 2018 22:15:42 GMT -5
Ironically, Mafell's contracted motor supplier already do one. It's a peach, too. I have it in a 2 x 18v grinder, but there's also SDS drills & even sawbench & dust extraction iterations too! All 36v. All EC. All producing outputs "greater than a 2400w corded equivalent". Meaning it could conceivably drive much bigger saws too. Like a 254 or maybe even a 305mm SCMS.
Track saws using Metabo's 36v EC motors could fairly effortlessly run the "industry standard" 7 1/4" (185mm) blades in K, KSS & even MT configurations. Maybe even 8 1/4", 8 1/2", 210-ish mm, giving that magical 75mm/55mm/42mm 90 degree & 45 & 60 degree bevel cuts!
The downside - as always - is weight. With big M's batteries running @ all but a kg ea., it's gonna be a bit of a handful. Especially for such as me with advancing years & declining stamina. Personally, I'd prefer a more powerful but smaller, lighter, simpler & more reliable 18 volter.
Metabo can already do it. Their EC motored grinders in 18v have climbed steadily in power, torque & capacity from 115mm to 125, to 150 & now 180mm. So if big M can create big/ger 18v grinders, then they can similarly do big/ger saws too. It follows. The torque loading isn't that dissimilar.
So how about it, little M? Time once again to remove your collective digits from your corpulent corporate Teutonic derrieres & do something about it before the marketplace once again overtakes you. Sign some more supply contracts with Metabo. Thanks to the new "Cordless Alliance" arrangement/s, they're obviously willing to talk turkey with you. Negotiate hard, though. Don't be fobbed off with "second tier" battery & charging technologies as you have in the past. Hold out for the best: 9.0 & 4.5AH batteries, 6.0 or even 8.0 Ampere chargers, the biggest, most powerful & best 120/240+ nm. motors.
You Krauts have a bit of a rep. for being masterful, hardass negotiators. Show us how it's done. Those wimpy fatcat KKR execs in their Manhattan boardrooms don't stand a chance! Lavish them with their preferred blend of VSOP Cognac, Single Malt, Bolivian marching powder and add a liberal dose of high-class escorts & rent-boys, & when you have them well & truly (literally) drained, in a post-coital daze, whip out the ol' Rotring or Karan d'Arche fountain pens before they see sense enough to reconsider!
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Post by jozsefkozma on Oct 14, 2018 6:46:49 GMT -5
Agree with weight (age) completely
That is why kss40 get used when ever possible
I am just hoping to loose the cord completely
Most of the time it is safety also ( no cord =less tripping
hazard
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Post by citydecks on Nov 22, 2018 9:05:55 GMT -5
Hilti is has 7 1/4 Lefty coming to retail Jan/ Feb. I just it yesterday. Picking up tomorrow. It looks like beast. Will know tomorrow when I out it head to head either maki 2*18. The up side already is that i don't need Maki silly oversized dual charger. Man I hate that thing. Ironically, Mafell's contracted motor supplier already do one. It's a peach, too. I have it in a 2 x 18v grinder, but there's also SDS drills & even sawbench & dust extraction iterations too! All 36v. All EC. All producing outputs "greater than a 2400w corded equivalent". Meaning it could conceivably drive much bigger saws too. Like a 254 or maybe even a 305mm SCMS. Track saws using Metabo's 36v EC motors could fairly effortlessly run the "industry standard" 7 1/4" (185mm) blades in K, KSS & even MT configurations. Maybe even 8 1/4", 8 1/2", 210-ish mm, giving that magical 75mm/55mm/42mm 90 degree & 45 & 60 degree bevel cuts! The downside - as always - is weight. With big M's batteries running @ all but a kg ea., it's gonna be a bit of a handful. Especially for such as me with advancing years & declining stamina. Personally, I'd prefer a more powerful but smaller, lighter, simpler & more reliable 18 volter. Metabo can already do it. Their EC motored grinders in 18v have climbed steadily in power, torque & capacity from 115mm to 125, to 150 & now 180mm. So if big M can create big/ger 18v grinders, then they can similarly do big/ger saws too. It follows. The torque loading isn't that dissimilar. So how about it, little M? Time once again to remove your collective digits from your corpulent corporate Teutonic derrieres & do something about it before the marketplace once again overtakes you. Sign some more supply contracts with Metabo. Thanks to the new "Cordless Alliance" arrangement/s, they're obviously willing to talk turkey with you. Negotiate hard, though. Don't be fobbed off with "second tier" battery & charging technologies as you have in the past. Hold out for the best: 9.0 & 4.5AH batteries, 6.0 or even 8.0 Ampere chargers, the biggest, most powerful & best 120/240+ nm. motors. You Krauts have a bit of a rep. for being masterful, hardass negotiators. Show us how it's done. Those wimpy fatcat KKR execs in their Manhattan boardrooms don't stand a chance! Lavish them with their preferred blend of VSOP Cognac, Single Malt, Bolivian marching powder and add a liberal dose of high-class escorts & rent-boys, & when you have them well & truly (literally) drained, in a post-coital daze, whip out the ol' Rotring or Karan d'Arche fountain pens before they see sense enough to reconsider!  |
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Post by jozsefkozma on Nov 22, 2018 13:07:57 GMT -5
The Hilti is a must see for me
Would also like to have your knowledgeable
input with cons and pros on both saws
Still love the look of worm drive
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Post by ohan on Nov 27, 2018 22:33:35 GMT -5
Looks a lot like the Makita rear handle 2X 18V
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Post by citydecks on Nov 27, 2018 22:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by citydecks on Dec 28, 2018 22:44:17 GMT -5
I have all 3. Maki dewalt and hilti of course. Pros/cons. Dewalt feels like a block of concrete compared to other 2. Dewalt batteries suck in heat and Cold and they take way too much time to charge. 1/ hr +. Even with fast charger. Too fussy with tempature. Dewalt does a ridiculous amount and speed compared to other 2. MAKI is very nice smooth well balanced and batteries are not effected by heat/ Cold. They're 5.0amp charge at 45min. Lil better then dewalt overall better. HILTI. Total class of it own like a Mufalli. 1-36v6amp super fast charger. 35-40min. Very easy to handle. No safety button to push. Very easy to swap batteries. Superior to dewalt. Incredible balance. You would never know it's 12.5lbs. Blade gaurd allows you to cut anything at any angle with no hang ups. I'm a deck builder so we use wet and sometimes frozen pressure treated lumber. 1st day i field cutting frozen wet lumber it handled 140lf+/- of ripping. 125+/- cross cuts of 2x12". Battery swapped just after. The power and precision is incredible. Maki is not far behind and would be my 2nd choice and probably just as happy using Maki if I never met the hilti. Feel free to get back never use powered skil saw again. You'll be lucky to go through 2/ batteries in 1 day using regularly lumber. And with the fast charger you'll never drain one before other is charged and same goes for the rest of Hilti's 22v Line. I also really like the way I don't have to to Carry boat load of Maki or dewalt batteries with me anymore. We work outside all year around. My tools stay outside all year around. I can run an entire job with 2- 36v/6amp 4- 22/5.6, 1- charger. Really keeps you lean. The Hilti is a must see for me Would also like to have your knowledgeable input with cons and pros on both saws Still love the look of worm drive |
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Post by jozsefkozma on Dec 29, 2018 10:15:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the Feedback
It sounds great , almost to good
I almost walked out couple of days ago with
a Dewalt but the Makita felt better
So glad , didn’t bite
There is something about wormtype
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Post by citydecks on Dec 29, 2018 11:01:05 GMT -5
You won't be disappointed with Maki. Good power good handling. Things that bother me: DBL batteries bother me and having DBL chargers or 6 batteries to make it through the day. But I'm a fussy bastard Thanks for the Feedback It sounds great , almost to good I almost walked out couple of days ago with a Dewalt but the Makita felt better So glad , didn’t bite There is something about wormtype |
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Post by citydecks on Dec 29, 2018 11:18:25 GMT -5
I also have few 6.5" Lefts. really Nice in a pinch to help out with the few cuts here and there especially great when framing is done and decking Begins. We actually use primarily for small framing example roof access mini houses. They work flawlessly on non treated lumber. You won't be disappointed with Maki. Good power good handling. Things that bother me: DBL batteries bother me and having DBL chargers or 6 batteries to make it through the day. But I'm a fussy bastard Thanks for the Feedback It sounds great , almost to good I almost walked out couple of days ago with a Dewalt but the Makita felt better So glad , didn’t bite There is something about wormtype |
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Post by jozsefkozma on Dec 29, 2018 12:07:19 GMT -5
I ended up walking out empty handed I couldn’t convince myself to get a Makita Even the sales guy sad there is a first time for everyhing After reading your write up from the Hilti , I drove to Hilti not realizing today is Saturday But they will be open Monday  On the 6,5” lefts , do you mean the cordless Makita ? |
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