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Post by fidelfs on Oct 16, 2013 11:16:55 GMT -5
Has anyone use it for finish sanding?
How much is in EU? Do you know a place that can ship to USA?
It is the Mirca Ceros 6" sander with an orbital 2.5 mm for finish sanding, I found it in USA, but only pneumatic not electric.
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Post by okami on Oct 16, 2013 19:06:39 GMT -5
You can try Restexpress in the UK. They are an official Mirka dealer and pretty much stock everything. I've bought from them before and they've been good to deal with. www.restexpress.co.uk/acatalog/mirka.html |
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Post by 7 on Oct 16, 2013 22:15:33 GMT -5
Odd. If you are asking if anyone has used the Mirka Ceros for finish sanding I just finished doing that to a large extent. In fact the reason I came in to use the computer right now is to see if they sell the abranet sanding discs in 1000 and 2000 grits. I built a pretty simple walnut mantle for a fireplace and sanded it to 600 Grit. It got quite polished even just going through the grits up to 600. I ended up putting a coat of danish oil on it and will put a second coat. The pictures are with the 1 coat of oil. I wish I took a pic of the 600 polish. It looked like a satin clear coat. Fidelfs- Are you asking where to purchase a Mirka Ceros is the U.S.A? I assume you are asking something else. The Ceros is available from a lot of places in the US.    |
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 16, 2013 22:58:48 GMT -5
Looks like it did the trick on this end
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Post by okami on Oct 16, 2013 23:04:00 GMT -5
Looks fantastic!!
the version sold in the US is the 5mm orbit. There are 2.5, 5 and 8mm orbits available for the CEROS.
ive never found the 2.5mm orbit necessary with the CEROS, the 5mm orbit leaves an excellent finish (as we can see from 7 ).
i have been tempted to get the 8mm version.
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Post by fidelfs on Oct 17, 2013 7:17:13 GMT -5
Yes, that is correct about availability of the Ceros in USA. I am looking for the Ceros 625CV that is not available in USA.
Ceros:
550CV - AINA
625CV - NAINA
650CV - AINA
680CV - AINA
I have the 5 and 8mm orbits. I was like Okami, thinking to get the 8mm version and I had it on my Amazon cart for several days.
I was purchasing something non related to woodworking in Amazon and then I saw a note on my cart that the 680CV was $100 off. It was really early in the morning, I purchase it and in about 10 minutes later when to the normal price. I just got it and I will test it and see how it performs. I have some failed attempt to paint some cabinet doors and I need to remove the paint. I will use it for that.
I am trying to have the super glossy effect, kind of plasticky look and I thouhgt the 625CV will be perfect for that. I guess the 650CV will have to do it and I think it is very capable.
7 - Nice looking mantle!!!
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Post by jalvis on Oct 17, 2013 7:32:46 GMT -5
-You can get a High Gloss without sanding or buffing on doors but its not easy. It comes down to the sprayer and product. I've done it several times and its great once everything is dialed in.
-The finnish on that mantle looks great! Getting serious with those grits.
-Most of the Cabinet makers a know that use Air Sanders prefer smaller stroke sanders on Hardwoods. Supposedly it minimizes strokes and eliminates the Higher grits. In fact most of them never go above 150 grit on hardwood. They build a finnish using an Air-Assisted-Airless and Booth rather than sanding which is far more labor intensive.
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Post by elimelech12 on Oct 18, 2013 6:56:08 GMT -5
Wow that is a nice finish. Is there a standard stroke size on the Ceros or are they all different?
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Post by fidelfs on Oct 18, 2013 9:14:12 GMT -5
Ceros:
550CV - AINA 5mm
625CV - NAINA 2.5mm
650CV - AINA 5mm
680CV - AINA 8mm
Those are the available strokes in Ceros family.
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Post by 7 on Oct 18, 2013 21:23:37 GMT -5
-The finnish on that mantle looks great! Getting serious with those grits. -Most of the Cabinet makers a know that use Air Sanders prefer smaller stroke sanders on Hardwoods. Supposedly it minimizes strokes and eliminates the Higher grits. In fact most of them never go above 150 grit on hardwood. They build a finnish using an Air-Assisted-Airless and Booth rather than sanding which is far more labor intensive. I typically never sand my projects above the 150 range. Sometimes stop at 120 or 180. I have heard that with a surface much smoother than that it makes it more difficult for the clear coats to "bite". Plus as you already know after 2 or 3 coats of finish with light sanding between coats you aren't touching the wood surface anymore anyway. As long as there is enough sanding to get rid of the imperfections in the wood surface it's good to go. I figured on such a small project it would be fun to sand to a higher grit without costing me a bunch of time just to experience it and see the result. What do you all use to apply your different wood clear coats? Airless, HVLP, Turbine assisted HVLP? Other? What are your favorite finishes? Lacquer, Polyurethane, Varnish, Oil, Other? |
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Post by fidelfs on Oct 21, 2013 13:44:20 GMT -5
I have a HVLP Fuji Mini mite 4 stages. Laquer and Varnish.
I tried the 680CV this weekend, it has a lot of power (not power per se, it is the 8mm stroke). It is not a Rotex by any means, that use brute force, it is more refined. It is easier to control with one hand, I don't think I would miss the Rotex at all if I do it with the 680CV.
Remember the Rotex is direct drive and that makes a big difference, but it is also difficult to control. I am not talking I need to learn how to use, I am talking the nature of the direct drive is rough compared to an orbital.
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Post by okami on Oct 21, 2013 22:12:06 GMT -5
I use a Wagner 4 stage HVLP. It gets the job done, but it's not the perfect set up.
Since moving shop late last year, I now have space for a dedicated finishing room and am slowly getting it made. I'll be getting a large 3phase powered compressor and probably iwata guns.
I also use a lot of oil finishes. My favourites are Liberon Finishing Oil and Osmo hard wax oil.
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Post by okami on Oct 21, 2013 22:15:54 GMT -5
I have a HVLP Fuji Mini mite 4 stages. Laquer and Varnish. I tried the 680CV this weekend, it has a lot of power (not power per se, it is the 8mm stroke). It is not a Rotex by any means, that use brute force, it is more refined. It is easier to control with one hand, I don't think I would miss the Rotex at all if I do it with the 680CV. Remember the Rotex is direct drive and that makes a big difference, but it is also difficult to control. I am not talking I need to learn how to use, I am talking the nature of the direct drive is rough compared to an orbital. Is the 8mm noticeably more aggressive compared to the 5mm CEROS? I know you haven't used it much yet, but what are your thoughts, is 8mm CEROS worth the investment, with having the 5mm as well? |
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Post by fidelfs on Oct 22, 2013 7:07:24 GMT -5
First impression yes, but I will answer your question after some projects. I need to remove paint from some cabinet doors and I will really test it there.
That will give me a better perspective.
What I can tell you is that I had to remove some epoxy and I used the 680CV, It was really quick, almost remind me of the Rotex 125. The caveat is that I forgot to use the 5mm for the same task so I cannot tell you if the 680 was a lot better or not.
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