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Post by fredgab on Apr 17, 2018 8:46:19 GMT -5
hi,
I’m looking to upgrade my router setup as I’m doing more pattern routing recently in 27mm threeply wood and my of-1400 can do the job but it is showing it’s limits. Using a klein 12mm insert flush trim bit that cut exceptionally clean or upcut spiral bit.
Wondering if I should go towards the mafell as I already own an erika and could be attached in the future, but I think i still prefer a dedicated table for this application.
Is there someone who has had experience with both?
I’m stuck in between power and mafell quality and apparently better dust collection on the festool (and accessory compatibility with my other router?)
Cheers,
Fred
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Post by bicycleclip on Apr 17, 2018 9:35:43 GMT -5
I have the LO65 and the Erika router table and adapter. Things to bear in mind:
Cons:
- You can't use a router lift with the Erika router table
- The Erika router table was probably designed with the lighter LO50 in mind, since the LO65, which weighs twice as much, causes a very slight sag in the table, less than .5mm, but enough for me to not want to leave the LO65 fitted to the table permanently.
- You have to use supplied adapter plates to make the LO65 attach to the table, you don't need these with the LO50 which further reinforces my suspicion that the LO50 was the original intent.
Pros:
- The Festool will presumably attach using the Mafell # 201180 adapter for attaching 'other makes' to the router table.
- I love the Erika router table because I generally dislike using power routers and don't want to commit a lot of space in my workshop to table. The Erika kit allows me to add a router table in seconds.
- I also appreciate being able to rig up a router table with my Erika on site, using the same dust extraction I use for the saw.
- Despite being a portable option, like most things Erika the Router adapter is rather good in itself, it gives you a lot of flexibility and possibly more options for material support than you'd get with a normal router table.
- I can't really give you advice on other power routers. The only one I've ever used is the LO65.
EDIT: The sag was something I had read reported but I hadn’t got around to testing it myself. I have now tested this with a One-way multi gauge, which has a solid reference edge, and is accurate to 1000th of an inch (0.02mm) and there is no sag to report and I found this was consistent at several points at repeated samples. I now store my LO65 in the table all the time.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Apr 17, 2018 9:43:44 GMT -5
I cannot speak to the Mafell offerings, but I can tell you from my experience, I think that the OF2200 is the ultimate router and just about perfect in every regard. The only upgrade I could see them making is LED lights, but aside from that, I think that it is the ultimate hand-held router for stuff that needs more moxie than a mid-sized machine.
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Post by fredgab on Apr 18, 2018 6:47:43 GMT -5
Even harder right now !  I think I'll go see at some retailers and see what is fitting me better for what I'm used to. Cheers, fred |
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Post by matchesder on Apr 28, 2018 14:46:59 GMT -5
Hi Fred, as was not satisfied with either the OF1010 and the OF1400 because of play in the plunge mechanism and for the 1400 also play in the guide bush holder, I started to look at some others. The OF2200 seems like a really nice beast, yet it had the same issue. If you are happy with your OF1400, you should be fine though. The Mafell is a more basic router in terms of features. But it's what brought me to Mafell and now I'm more or less a Mafell fan  The Dust collection is really good. Comparable to that of the OF1400. Sometimes I find the 65 mm a little to less plunge depth. The collet does not plunge deeper than the base plate, which I would like it to. It's really useful when working with templates. But what was important to me: There is almost no noticable play in the plunge mechanism. Yes you have to screw on the guide bush but: Its centered! And it's not wondering around. I recommend you have a look at it as well. I think for me it took just a few second's to know that's the right one for me (for me, thats important, may be different in your or every other ones case). Martin |
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Post by GhostFist on May 1, 2018 11:51:04 GMT -5
I own a 1010 and a 2200 and have no play on either regarding plunge but this may be due to manufacture dates. 2200 is smooth powerful and comfortable to use for a router of its size. Dust collection is unrivalled as far as I'm concerned. Though if I were to improve one thing, I'd make the dust port tube a larger diameter to prevent clogging with larger chips.
2200 is a beast!
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Post by fredgab on May 2, 2018 9:57:13 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
Thanks for all your inputs about these 2 routers, I finally went with the mafell as it was available at a nearby dealer with 20% reduction and I could see what it feels like in my hands.
That's a beast for sure, haven't got the time to explore it completly yet but can't wait to make some chips!
I also liked the fact that it's lighter than the of2200, that can be useful when routing all day.
Bummer they don't include a 12mm collet for the price.. I ordered one, does it come with the nut as well or you have to remove it from the 8mm? I'm used to the festool ones.
Dust collection look pretty good so far, a little better than the of1400 I would say, the parrallel guide is super super sturdy and won't move at all when fixed.
cheers,
fred
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Post by GhostFist on May 3, 2018 15:39:42 GMT -5
Nice!
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Post by bicycleclip on May 4, 2018 2:11:20 GMT -5
Welcome to the club. It's possibly all the router you will ever need. The parallel guides are great. Myself and some others here use two parallel guides, opposite to each other, to track the LO65 along beams.
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Post by matchesder on Jun 1, 2018 2:35:03 GMT -5
Hi Fred,
I ordered the collet and the nut separately.
Have fun with the new "toy".
Martin.
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Post by holmz on Jun 1, 2018 18:45:50 GMT -5
...Bummer they don't include a 12mm collet for the price.. I ordered one, does it come with the nut as well or you have to remove it from the 8mm? I'm used to the festool ones. ... I got three nuts for the LO50, then the 6, 1/4", and 8mm can stay in the nuts... |
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Post by fredgab on Jun 5, 2018 2:06:19 GMT -5
Hey guys,
I’vr been super happy with the quality of the lo65, but recently I’ve had some problems with it and don’t know if they are normal or not.
I think it might be the overlosd protection but not sure...
I had my first problem when I was routing with pretty heavy passes doing flush routing in 27mm threeplywood. The router just shut down breaking the fuse at my place at the same time. The router wouldn’t start and I had to finish with my of1400. I was two notch slower than full speed as that’s what I’m used to with that bit and producing nice chips.
The router restarted the next day but in a weird way at first, going slow speed then up. After a couple of on and off I could use it normally to router some fillets.
I had a second shut down like the other time but this time doing 3mm x3mm grooves, router wouldn’t start as well and broke the fuses as well.
Anybody know what’s happening?
thanks,
fred
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Post by holmz on Jun 5, 2018 5:32:10 GMT -5
Where in the world are you?
If it is not a problem with the router itself, then I would think a wiring issue.
If the plug was changed I would start there.
Also check the outlet. A neutrally/return wired to ground instead of the blue or whatever colour could possible result in the fire going.
Checking current draw requires a clamp style multimeter, so maybe a sparky you know?
If it is pulling high amps with no load then suspect internals....
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Post by huntsgemein on Jun 5, 2018 8:59:09 GMT -5
hi, I’m looking to upgrade my router setup as I’m doing more pattern routing recently in 27mm threeply wood and my of-1400 can do the job but it is showing it’s limits. Using a klein 12mm insert flush trim bit that cut exceptionally clean or upcut spiral bit. Wondering if I should go towards the mafell as I already own an erika and could be attached in the future, but I think i still prefer a dedicated table for this application. Is there someone who has had experience with both? I’m stuck in between power and mafell quality and apparently better dust collection on the festool (and accessory compatibility with my other router?) Cheers, Fred Without a shred of doubt the former & still current kings of pattern routing were, are & probably always will be the Elu/DeWalt/Trend family. No other cabal of suppliers produce such extensive accessory catalogues. Especially those guide bushes. There's currently over 40 different sizes available! Not to mention a swathe of adapters, extra washers, router tables etc. Plus a whole additional programme of direct fitting templates etc. cumulatively numbering into the hundreds! The most convenient iteration for you is probably the Trend T11 "clone" as this integrates seamlessly into the whole programme, although theoretically just about any manufacturers' router can be cobbled together to fit. Trend publish a pretty comprehensive compatibility guide on their website. Trend's T11 also offers through-the-table inverted fine height adjustment as standard, too. Making it one of those extremely rare dedicated table routers available, & more than justifying the extra few quid it costs. The addition of an aftermarket Woodrat Plungebar to any of this family, but especially the 2 KW Elu 177E/DW625/T11 clones will add another layer of utility & convenience to an already surprisingly useful package. Dust extraction guarding & ducting is available as standard on new models, and retrofittable to even 30 year old versions too. Specific to your Q. re Festo routers, there's little if any compatibility to be had between any of their range of routers. Plus precious little between them & any of the industry standard machines either. You'll always struggle to get a Festo router to fit most of the common jigs & templates on the market. Whilst it's a completely different marketplace here in the Antipodes, the professional's choice in routers over here is probably split between Makita & DeWalt. Having a long standing, proven track record of quality, reliability, accuracy & spare parts & service availability counts for so much more than more esoteric merits when one derives one's living from power tools. Tradies tend to be a fairly conservative lot, and generally value utility over other parameters in tool choice. The UK market is obviously dominated by 110v Trend T11s & DW625LX. Specific to your accessory wing on the Erika, I'd be quite surprised if just about any brand of router couldn't be made/modified/jigged to fit. As with just about each & every other router table on the market. I tend to use different routers for inversion in a table and hand held & template work. I currently use a 2300w DW626 in the table, DW622 for most template, guided & freehand work, DW621 in the Akeda/Trend dovetailer & an elderly Elu MOF96E in an accessory Elu mini-spindle & routerlathe. I don't use one of the CMT/Elu/DeWalt/Trend 2 KW clones any more as I don't have the need to do much installation or countertop work. My big Elu was sold some years ago. For those that do, however, they're the obvious default choice. |
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Post by kraftt on Jun 5, 2018 9:03:23 GMT -5
The router restarted the next day but in a weird way at first, going slow speed then up. After a couple of on and off I could use it normally to router some fillets. I had a second shut down like the other time but this time doing 3mm x3mm grooves, router wouldn’t start as well and broke the fuses as well. The event having speed control issues points to control module in my opinion, but of course I have no idea. If not under warrantee it’s time to open it up for inspection. Hopefully you will find something simple like foreign matter abridging contacts etc. If not it looks like control module (#10 - Regelmodul m. Bremse) in PDF is just one piece & probably potted. (click pdf upper right of link) |
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