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Post by shokunin on Nov 10, 2018 4:43:41 GMT -5
Metabo HPT. Here's a youtube link. This saw is discussed toward the end of the video. Go to the 6.40 minute mark in the video.
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Post by thehandyman on Nov 10, 2018 8:07:55 GMT -5
Metabo HPT. Here's a youtube link. This saw is discussed toward the end of the video. Go to the 6.40 minute mark in the video. Yes, I've used the saw at the Metabo HPT MultiVolt media event I attended. Decent but definitely not great saw. Uses Hitachi /Metabo HPT MultiVolt batteries. Available now. 10" blade. Corded or cordless.
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Post by henrun on Nov 12, 2018 8:05:28 GMT -5
From what I gathered so far there will be a Metabo HPT/HiKoki Multivolt 10" soon-ish on the market. That one is possibly and most likely made in China. I would not be surprised if Metabo Proper picks that one up as well and launch it in 18V LiHD. That would make sense.
Same with the tablesaw, I think the Metabo HPT/HiKoki and Metabo will be very similar if not the same.
The Hikoki 7 1/2 is another story though. Made in Japan and perhaps not available in Metabo shroud. Since I am after the cord and cordless option I will go for Hikoki (in Europe) but if it would turn out to offered in Metabo shroud the LiHD 18V would be tempting too.
Metabo has an aging range of mitre saws which is quite extensive in corded and since they already have the KG and KGS 216 18 LTX I can't see why they would go under 10" as their next release. That makes me think the 7 1/2 HiKoki won't be given in the Metabo range other than as a Metabo HPT/ HiKoki.
Stranger things have happened though...
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Post by arvid on Nov 14, 2018 21:06:31 GMT -5
Will the 36v multi volt battery fit the Mafell 18v tools?
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Nov 14, 2018 21:26:41 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there's a lot of confusion regarding the name change of Hitachi to Metabo HPT. As I understand it, Hitachi Koki acquired Metabo in 2016, then the Hitachi Group sold Hitachi Koki to an investment firm named HK Holdings in 2017. Due to the cost of licensing the Hitachi name, the investment firm chose to change the name to Metabo HPT, leveraging the other name (Metabo) they already owned.
All the above being said, I rather hope we don't see much overlap between the companies. Hitachi makes some decent tools (particularly their pneumatics), but Metabo products (particularly their grinders and batteries) are in a league of their own, and I'd hate to see them make any compromises....
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Post by huntsgemein on Nov 15, 2018 0:20:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there's a lot of confusion regarding the name change of Hitachi to Metabo HPT. As I understand it, Hitachi Koki acquired Metabo in 2016, then the Hitachi Group sold Hitachi Koki to an investment firm named HK Holdings in 2017. Due to the cost of licensing the Hitachi name, the investment firm chose to change the name to Metabo HPT, leveraging the other name (Metabo) they already owned. All the above being said, I rather hope we don't see much overlap between the companies. Hitachi makes some decent tools (particularly their pneumatics), but Metabo products (particularly their grinders and batteries) are in a league of their own, and I'd hate to see them make any compromises.... Confusion is an understatement. It will go down in the annals of history as one of the greatest marketing blunders of all time. Along with naming the little Siamese-made AWD cars (in Hispanic slang) the Mitsubishi Masturbator. Or the Dalkon shield. Or marketing Contergan/Immunoprin to expectant mothers. Picture this possible scenario, if you will: somebody buys some Hitachi Koki tools, or already owns some, & emigrates to North America, only to find "Hitachi" or "H-K" tools aren't sold. Scenario 2. Somebody is given or buys on markdown a "Metabo-HPT" tool to run on his existing Metabo batteries/charger/s etc. Two seriously pissed off "lost" customers for whom the 2 companies' names will be permanently associated with "tricky" & "deceitful" behaviour or maybe even criminal dishonesty. Two customers not only lost for life, but all-too-willing to message, email, tweet, insta-wank or holler from the treetops just what an absolutely crap company Metabo now is! Creating yet more legions of non-users sworn off for life. Stupid, stupid marketing decisions from ignorant boardroom types who comprehensively fail to comprehend their marketplace. I'd personally like to understand why? It almost seems like a deliberately calculated treasonous act of industrial sabotage, intended to devalue if not eliminate entirely whatever remains of Metabo's credibility in North America. Is it racially motivated? An east Asian sub-committee's xenophobic hatred of if not the Germanic race then perhaps a Teutonic former competitor? A pimply-faced callow young MBA graduate with a cocaine & sperm-addled brain & zero experience of the real world? They could've called the new unrelated tool company absolutely anything: Silly Space-Invaders Overmould Tool Company. HPT Tools. The Slightly Unfashionable & Not Quite As Good As Either Makita or Milwaukee's Chinese tools Company. Best Tools In The Bloody Universe Limited. Most Incredible & Amazing Battery Tools Inc. The Fuck Off Festool We Were Here First With the Bile Green & Black Colour Scheme Tool Company. Anything but the (unrelated operationally or electronically) Metabo Company. At least the insanity is merely limited to North America. The company obviously considers its NA customers to be the most intelligent, discerning and least easily fooled in the whole world! It kinda figures. I was recently described (as were the rest of my 7.2 Billion companions) as being a "robber, rapist and drug mule" from a "shithole country" merely for the misfortune of NOT living in the mid-latitude region of a certain continent lying in the northern part of the western hemisphere. So I'm obviously not smart enough to realise that the "Metabo" & "Metabo HPT" companies make quite unrelated, different and utterly incompatible tool ranges. Silly, poor, unfortunate me.
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Post by henrun on Nov 17, 2018 2:50:42 GMT -5
Will the 36v multi volt battery fit the Mafell 18v tools? No, it is unfortunately a different platform altogether, based on Hitachi 18V slide mount. The MultiVolt fits downstream but the 18V batteries don't fit the MultiVolt machines.
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Post by henrun on Nov 17, 2018 3:05:46 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there's a lot of confusion regarding the name change of Hitachi to Metabo HPT. As I understand it, Hitachi Koki acquired Metabo in 2016, then the Hitachi Group sold Hitachi Koki to an investment firm named HK Holdings in 2017. Due to the cost of licensing the Hitachi name, the investment firm chose to change the name to Metabo HPT, leveraging the other name (Metabo) they already owned. All the above being said, I rather hope we don't see much overlap between the companies. Hitachi makes some decent tools (particularly their pneumatics), but Metabo products (particularly their grinders and batteries) are in a league of their own, and I'd hate to see them make any compromises.... The "good thing" is that it seems that Hitachi/HiKoki seemed to make use of Metabos excellent grinder tech and released a slim handle grinder looking just like the Metabo equivalent offering. Same with the 18/36V hammer drill and the higher torque drill/driver. At the Hitachi fire sale I snagged a few items - one of them the Hitachi grinder which seemed identical in specs and handles beautifully.
The drill is obviously a Metabo clone but with better ergonomic grip. Hitachi does not have the quick change chuck system which is a pity.
For the hammer drill Metabo has a better quick change chuck system (Futuro) but the Hitachi ain't bad, just took a while to figure out.
In exchange Metabo got the triple hammer impact - and did a good job at implementing a better torque setting dial. Most would find it unnecessary but I found I could dial in the perfect torque/speed for decking jobs.
The Hitachi triple hammer is nicer to hold and you can turn the light on/off or auto which is nice. Strap and belt clip is nice too, I use it a lot. The little triple hammer is now my most used drill/driver and one of my best buys I think.
Battery status is crap on Hitachi, I can't even gauge the drywall gun - it simply doesn't work. Same with some of the other tools, it doesn't even show and that two dot status isn't much to begin with. With the Multivolt batteris you get four bars and on battery gauge - which is excellent and compatible with the 18V gear. Only thing amiss is the small compact 3Ah batteries that are not available in MultiVolt equivalent, hopefully they update them. At least they sell them very cheap nowadays, as they should.
From HiKoki / Metabo HPT I would love to see a carry over with:
Track saws on the FSN rail system.
Quick change chuck system for the drills.
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Post by henrun on Nov 17, 2018 3:07:46 GMT -5
Metabo HPT. Here's a youtube link. This saw is discussed toward the end of the video. Go to the 6.40 minute mark in the video. Yes, I've used the saw at the Metabo HPT MultiVolt media event I attended. Decent but definitely not great saw. Uses Hitachi /Metabo HPT MultiVolt batteries. Available now. 10" blade. Corded or cordless. i saw that clip, I thought we were talking about the 7 1/2 mitre - made in Japan - which is coming too. That 10" seems ok but is of no interest to me. Probably made in China, looks decent but not great.
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Post by henrun on Nov 17, 2018 3:09:41 GMT -5
towards the end of this video:
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Post by arvid on Nov 17, 2018 11:22:06 GMT -5
Yes, I've used the saw at the Metabo HPT MultiVolt media event I attended. Decent but definitely not great saw. Uses Hitachi /Metabo HPT MultiVolt batteries. Available now. 10" blade. Corded or cordless. i saw that clip, I thought we were talking about the 7 1/2 mitre - made in Japan - which is coming too. That 10" seems ok but is of no interest to me. Probably made in China, looks decent but not great. Will the 7-1/2 come to the United States for sure? I have enough 10 inch miter saws and have been search for a smaller 8 inch or 7-1/4
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Post by henrun on Nov 18, 2018 16:04:02 GMT -5
I think it was mentioned in the posted clip that the 7 1/2 saw was due out in 2019 in the US. It is an american video and it would not make sense for Metabo HPT to tease that saw in the flesh unless they were releasing it on the US market.
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Post by arvid on Nov 18, 2018 19:17:48 GMT -5
I think it was mentioned in the posted clip that the 7 1/2 saw was due out in 2019 in the US. It is an american video and it would not make sense for Metabo HPT to tease that saw in the flesh unless they were releasing it on the US market. Had a play with the 10 inch at Lowe’s today. They did not have out of the box but they had the hitachi corded version on display which seems identical minus the 36v capability. After playing with it I didn’t care for the controls. And the detents were not stable enough without doing the extra locking feature to keep it stable. Went back to Lowe’s later in the day and the two boxed metabos were sold out quick.
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Post by ohan on Nov 18, 2018 21:09:12 GMT -5
Just to be completely clear, when mention is made of the “Hitachi blow out” sale, you guys are talking about Lowe’s, right?
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Post by henrun on Nov 20, 2018 11:45:20 GMT -5
I think it was mentioned in the posted clip that the 7 1/2 saw was due out in 2019 in the US. It is an american video and it would not make sense for Metabo HPT to tease that saw in the flesh unless they were releasing it on the US market. Had a play with the 10 inch at Lowe’s today. They did not have out of the box but they had the hitachi corded version on display which seems identical minus the 36v capability. After playing with it I didn’t care for the controls. And the detents were not stable enough without doing the extra locking feature to keep it stable. Went back to Lowe’s later in the day and the two boxed metabos were sold out quick. I am not surprised. There is a small 7 1/2 beater Hitachi at the workshop which is a Chinese made machine and though it cuts true it is a no frills machine for sure and does not ooze quality. Hitachi used to make a Japanese made 10" which was very good and when I asked about that saw at the dealership I was shown the "current" 10" and I agree with your assessment.
From what I have heard the battery version is slightly updated and could be better built but I believe it when I see it.
They did have a 12" Japanese made Hitachi in store and wanted me to try that one and it was really nicely built but way too heavy for me.
My preferred size is around 7-8" for mitre saws, don't need larger than that but if the 10" had been very nice in handling and with the corded/cordless I would have considered it. Now it is a waiting game for that promising 7 1/2 HiKoki/Metabo HPT.
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