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Post by arvid on Jan 3, 2017 13:11:39 GMT -5
trash gets separated and recycled where I'm from. not sure where you're from. besides one can argue that the cost of energy used and fossil fuel consumed for all this recycling pollutes the planet more and proves further that it is just to make some cooperations more money and not really for the planet. the factories can save the planet they are the ones making all the money. don't lay it on the working mans shoulders trying to get by. our great grand children will be living on mars then anyway. You are an optimist. yes i am.
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Post by holmz on Jan 3, 2017 14:50:50 GMT -5
We should be capable of colonising Mars. Whether we will, or just destroy ourselves, is questionable.
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Post by arvid on Jan 3, 2017 16:40:13 GMT -5
We should be capable of colonising Mars. Whether we will, or just destroy ourselves, is questionable. as the good book says
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Post by reflector on Jan 4, 2017 9:34:11 GMT -5
Am I missing something... what's the point in buying a mega-bucks saw and sticking cheapo blades on??? For US users, being able to use a standard, 5/8" arbor, 7-1/4" sawblade means we have a lot more sawblade options. A lot more sawblades that we can walk into a lot of stores to immediately obtain one instead of tracking down a 185mm sawblade (Tenryu doesn't offer any, I don't think Festool does either and Leitz makes them for Festool anyways) which means we're practically limited to the Mafell blades (Which are fine, I believe Leitz makes them) and possibly some random overseas stuff (few options it seems). The thing is some of the newer features found some sawblades are the ones that Leitz doesn't seem to implement (Like vibration dampening, see my MT55cc thread about sawblades, I love using the really thin kerf Tenryu Silencer since there's no singing and its even thinner than the stock blade so I can get clean cuts and push faster on stacked plywood). Or if you were to hit something in wood that isn't wood and also isn't nonferrous... Well your blade's toast for now, you're going to either send it out to get resharpened/teeth replaced or you're going to toss it. Now where's your second blade... See above regarding how 7-1/4" sawblades are "readily available" and "in many options." Demolition blades, diamond tipped blades for fibercement, nail resistant blades, blades with exotic tooth geometries (Freud/Diablo Tracking Point), blades with really good sound dampening (Tenryu Silencer) and more choices. I don't think I need to bring up cost at this point given the real point is the freedom of choice in finding a blade optimal to the usage scenario (and the implied goals/outcomes/objectives of said scenario). I think for some, it does matter given a "cheapo" 10-20 dollar blade from Italy could be a very high performance sawblade, something that achieves 80-90% of a 50-80 dollar sawblade would do . I think you can see the performance to cost ratios in that case. This isn't say, "driving a Ferrari/Porsche/[Your choice of a sporty, expensive brand here] on cheap bald tires" but having a set of track tires for when you want the best out of the car and having a set of street sport tires that you'll be using daily. Economies of scale and all since 7-1/4" sawblades are common in the US and the North American marketplace is a large one, large enough to see all kinds of sawblades that I can't even get from Western Europe (Mind you, this is before I add "for the price" on there too) Once I get a KSS60 in the future I think I'll have to pay a local machine shop a visit to see if they can make me a 5/8" flange or I'll end up just ordering a spare inner flange and having them machine that down for the purpose. Then I can have all the choices I want, 185mm or 7-1/4". Or I should be really saying 20mm or 5/8".
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Post by reflector on Jan 4, 2017 9:46:23 GMT -5
trash gets separated and recycled where I'm from. not sure where you're from. besides one can argue that the cost of energy used and fossil fuel consumed for all this recycling pollutes the planet more and proves further that it is just to make some cooperations more money and not really for the planet. the factories can save the planet they are the ones making all the money. don't lay it on the working mans shoulders trying to get by. our great grand children will be living on mars then anyway. You are an optimist. Should I be the person who that brings up that even if there are places all over the world where they sort the trash, recycle the recyclable bits and the factories try to make efforts to maintain their long term profitability by not living on a deathworld that there's an entire country if not two or more countries right now out there that don't give a damn about that and sees those efforts as utterly futile softheaded weakness that must be economically crushed and destroyed for the sake of gaining ultimate face and possibly political (and economic) power over the rest of the world? Or how they see anyone who doesn't operate under that model as something to conquer and crush so that they can dominate the marketplace so that they can achieve a government backed monopoly all to further accelerate us into becoming a deathworld where you can't breathe the air, can't drink the water and can't eat the food without certain things happening to you? Not only that the things they do right out completely negate every bit of conservation effort done by all the countries out there and they do this on a daily basis to the point that all the misdeeds of the past seem like a drop in the ocean compared to what they output. Daily.
They also have propaganda that claims the entire solar system belongs to them under divine historical documents, since in the texts it does say "heaven and earth" and they "are old nations." Well, at least one of them does that among all kinds of weird stuff given they have a totalitarian government that needs to justify its legitimac... Ah I'll stop at this point, this might become a little too sobering and soul crushing. There's your daily dose of pessimism delivered, try not to take that too seriously or think about it too much or you'll become me. On another note: Try not to interact with people like that too much. I'll add the </sarcasm> tag, but I should put that as a </sarcasm, 35%> tag since I'm only trying to keep it real but also keep it funny instead of depressing. I think I'm not doing too well with the latter part. If this is too political-y or whatnot to the point I'll delete my post.
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Post by holmz on Jan 4, 2017 12:33:31 GMT -5
Am I missing something... what's the point in buying a mega-bucks saw and sticking cheapo blades on??? For US users, being able to use a standard, 5/8" arbor, 7-1/4" sawblade means we have a lot more sawblade options... ... Or if you were to hit something in wood that isn't wood and also isn't nonferrous... ... tires ... Once I get a KSS60 in the future I think I'll have to pay a local machine shop a visit to see if they can make me a 5/8" flange or I'll end up just ordering a spare inner flange and having them machine that down for the purpose. Then I can have all the choices I want, 185mm or 7-1/4". Or I should be really saying 20mm or 5/8". That tyre analogy is good. I have no immediate and burning desire to get a kSS60, but it would make sense to me if you organised a group buy on the flanges. Maybe out of a different material, and then it is easy to keep them organised. I'll put my hand up for a set.
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Post by holmz on Jan 4, 2017 12:41:46 GMT -5
Should I be the person who that brings up...
... I'll add the </sarcasm> tag, but I should put that as a </sarcasm, 35%> tag since I'm only trying to keep it real but also keep it funny instead of depressing. I think I'm not doing too well with the latter part. ... If this is too political-y or whatnot to the point I'll delete my post. Well a great majority of the population likes dogma. A realist is not a pessimist.... Brutha.
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Post by Eoj on Jan 5, 2017 13:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by arvid on Jan 5, 2017 16:01:34 GMT -5
great find. price jumps to 26 bucks for custom bore, but it is still cheaper then mafell blades for times you need a blade to abuse.
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Post by reflector on Jan 5, 2017 16:21:01 GMT -5
You'd probably be better off ordering from overseas with a bulk order for standard 185mm sawblades from Europe for construction. Getting clever with shipping (UK / Surface mail) or companies with good shipping rates (European Amazons) would probably cost less per blade and get you decent blades in that case. The bore options are mostly 30mm so you'd just need a bore reducer.
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Post by holmz on Jan 5, 2017 16:30:50 GMT -5
You'd probably be better off ordering from overseas with a bulk order for standard 185mm sawblades from Europe for construction. Getting clever with shipping (UK / Surface mail) or companies with good shipping rates (European Amazons) would probably cost less per blade and get you decent blades in that case. The bore options are mostly 30mm so you'd just need a bore reducer. A "Bore reducer" does away with custom flanges... Should be like a laser cut washer I would suspect...
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Post by arvid on Jan 5, 2017 16:46:31 GMT -5
You'd probably be better off ordering from overseas with a bulk order for standard 185mm sawblades from Europe for construction. Getting clever with shipping (UK / Surface mail) or companies with good shipping rates (European Amazons) would probably cost less per blade and get you decent blades in that case. The bore options are mostly 30mm so you'd just need a bore reducer. A "Bore reducer" does away with custom flanges... Should be like a laser cut washer I would suspect... bore reducer would work putting a 20mm bore blade on a 5/8" arbor saw. But i cannot see such a reducer working on a 20mm arbor to a 5/8" bore blade.
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Post by reflector on Jan 5, 2017 17:35:17 GMT -5
A "Bore reducer" does away with custom flanges... Should be like a laser cut washer I would suspect... bore reducer would work putting a 20mm bore blade on a 5/8" arbor saw. But i cannot see such a reducer working on a 20mm arbor to a 5/8" bore blade. That was in regards to trying to order a cheap 7-1/4" blade but getting it rebored... You'd be better off buying a bunch of 185/30 blade from Europe instead of getting a cheap 10 dollar blade rebored to 20mm if your goal is to use cheapo construction blades. Ideally I would rather have a 5/8" arbor option on the KSS60 so I can have access to specialty and mid priced blades in the US.
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Post by arvid on Jan 5, 2017 20:41:41 GMT -5
i looked at the flange today. if the 20mm ring was ground off it would almost work. because the retaining washer is almost exactly 5/8 of an inch and fits inside a 5/8" bore blade. there is a tiny tiny amount of play. I will measure it with calipers and see how much differential there is. But if that retaining washer were to fit snug enough then that could go inside the 5/8 inch bore and the blade will lay flat against the flange once the 20mm ring was ground off. but there might be too much play for this to work. if i had an extra flange i would try for shits and giggles.
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