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Post by Michael on Sept 3, 2016 20:42:56 GMT -5
"Have you costed getting one shipped in?" At this price, I can't justify not having local support. I don't want to have to foot the bill to ship something interstate or overseas. It's going to get expensive.
"Is there an advantage over the Metabo in function or cost?" I can't answer that, because that's precisely what I'm trying to find out. What is the difference between the two? According to information on the first page of this thread, the Metabo is apparently a Generation 2 unit, whereas the iPulse is Generation 3. That's all fine and good, but what does that actually mean? What is the difference between the Gen2 and a Gen3 iPulses?
On face value, all I can see is that the Metabo is 200 watts less powerful. Both have electromagnetic filter cleaning, and air pressure sensors. Are the electromagnetic filter cleaning systems different? Is the only difference that the Gen3 alternates cleaning the filters, but the Gen2 cleans them at the same time (thereby momentarily reducing suction)?
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Post by holmz on Sept 3, 2016 22:43:12 GMT -5
I am guessing that you are in the US. This makes it a bit more tricky as the rest of the world uses 230v, so I suspect a Starmix would need to be from the UK as a 110v unit to work on US power. If you were not in the US or wanted a 230v unit to run on US 220v, then it is pretty reasonable to get one shipped.
This assumes that it will not be breaking down with regularity. I had to send my CT26 in...
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Post by lincoln on Sept 7, 2016 22:44:09 GMT -5
Ok, Metabo ASR 35 ACP update time!! Thus far, I've been using fleece filter bags from my Festool CT-26, and they seem like a great match for the Starmix/Metabo vac. My local retailer was able to get some paper bags in stock, I hope to pick them up in the next few days. Based on what I've read in the Starmix manual, it is my intention to use Fleece bags for most of my general clean up since I have ready access to the Festool bags and because I can get them wet. When I plan on producing a LOT of very fine dust from cutting concrete and/or sanding drywall, I'll switch over to paper bags (as suggested in the Starmix manual). The vacuum itself is wonderful!!! Every bit as well built as my CT-26. All of the handles are nicely profiled, and the control knobs have a pleasant, sturdy feel to them. The 4-position function knob has become very intuitive to me. Access to anti-static hoses from Metabo or Starmix are next to impossible, but I already have a nice selection of AS hoses from Festool that are fully compatible with the unit, so that's not really an issue for me. I've made a few modifications to the vac to more closely match my working habits. I'm fully invested in the Tanos/Festool Systainer system, and really appreciate being able to utilize my vacuums as another Systainer cart. Since there doesn't seem to be a Systainer docking station coming from Starmix (at least in the near future), I've adapted a Festool Systainer Cart (495020) into a Systainer docking station for the vac. In a nutshell, I removed the casters, routed a hole in the middle (using my OF1400 and MFS routing template) so I can reach the carry handle of the vac, and filled in some spaces underneath the plate with UHMW blocks to drive screws into. I removed the top-most cover of the vacuum (requires removing a total of 14 screws), drove 6 screws up into the systainer plate, then reassembled the vac. I also bought an extra CT cord wrap for a CT-26 and attached it to the rear of the vac. Both aftermarket parts I spray painted with a black, aerosol truck bedliner product. Finally, I drilled two holes into the cart so I could mount a "CT Mounted Tool Holder" (496122) like on my CT-26. An unexpected bonus is now the Systainer Cart serves as a sort of roll cage for the control panel, protecting the knobs from damage. WIN!! Overall, I'm VERY happy with the results! Yes, this is a lot of extra work, and if all I did was cut and sand wood I wouldn't hesitate to load up on more CT-26 and MIDI units. Alas, I also find myself cutting and grinding lots of concrete, stucco and plaster, sanding drywall, and generally dealing with lots of cementitious dust, tasks that the standard CT vacs simply seem to struggle with. Even more important, I REALLY appreciate that the power outlet is ALWAYS live, suction is always constant, and the filters only agitate when needed. I contemplated getting the CT Hose Garage for the older CT-22/33 (494388), but for now am opting to store my hoses in a Systainer. The advantage here is this allows me to carry the correct hose (27mm or 36mm) for the task I plan on performing. Based on this method, it occurs to me that, depending on what style of standardized tool boxes you have bought into, you could perform the same modification with a rolling cart for the DeWalt cases, or the Bosch Sortimo boxes. Here are a few photos showing what I've come up with. Someday I hope to put together a step-by-step "How-To", but for now I hope the finished photos will do. I hope this helps to inspire you guys, I'll keep you posted on future mods! Nice idea with the Festool 'tool hook', Tom. Have just ordered a similiar one to try and fit to my Mafell vac - but I could only find one that is sold as an accessory for one of their mobile tool centres. Hopefully I can make it work.
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Post by Michael on Oct 22, 2016 18:42:59 GMT -5
OK...
I did as much research as I could, and could find no difference between the Metabo ASR 35 and the latest model Starmix iPulse ARDL-1635, other than the motor power ratings (1400W vs 1600W).
There are videos on Youtube showing the Starmix ISP permanent filter cleaning system that date back to 2010 (eg: . As far as I can tell, the core filter cleaning system appears to be completely identical to the current version (I believe the 1600W motor was introduced in 2013?).
I found one Starmix dealer interstate to me that I could source an iPulse ARDL-1635 from. However, there will be no local support, and if anything happens, I'll have to ship it back at my expense. Crucially, at recommended retail pricing, the iPulse ARDL-1635 is around 40% more expensive of the Metabo ASR 35 L ACP...
The numbers do not add up just to have a slightly more powerful 1600 Watt housed in a two colour black/red plastic shell. As such, I've got a Metabo ASR 35 L ACP on its way.
Back to the fun stuff. Bags. I'll be doing woodworking mainly, and would probably default to using bags (especially for sanding). I've noted that Tom Gensmer reports Festool CT-26 bags fit, leaving a 9 litre headspace to the 35 litre tub. Is there any reason for using undersized bags, other than simply having CT-26's on hand? In other words, will there be any issue using CT-36 bags?
Thanks again.
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Post by holmz on Nov 6, 2016 1:27:57 GMT -5
The Miele has carc'ed it. Sound slike a bearing os gone, and the barstard was getting pretty hot... Even the vent under the lid is warped from the heat.
I am thinking of the Metabo ASR 35 L ACP or the Start mix pulse 32l for a house vac again.
Or should I just get a Nilfisk house vac?
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Post by reflector on Nov 6, 2016 15:24:45 GMT -5
Surprised that a Miele would bite the dust. Have you considered a Sebo since they're the other German domestic (And commercial) vac? This is just my thinking but I personally advise having a power head over a turbine head.
On the flipside, there's another way option if you're willing to explore with the Starmix. You would have to modify an existing powerhead that'll lock onto the tubes and have it hooked up to the power port with activation. That'd be an interesting option to explore since you practically don't have to do much but modify the cord on the power head to a proper mains plug.
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Post by holmz on Nov 6, 2016 15:57:14 GMT -5
The hoses, lids, and everying else eventually goes on the Miele. We had an Electrolux when I was a kiddie, and the thing did not suck much, but it worked forever.
Nilfisk is sold here, I'll check on a sebo .
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Post by huntsgemein on Nov 6, 2016 19:32:41 GMT -5
My wife is murder on vacs. For some bizarre reason, she won't/can't fully lock the bags in place in their lugs, meaning that much of the dust bypasses the bag altogether, going straight though the motor filter & motor before lodging & quickly clogging & blowing out the HEPA filter outlet. Making a HUGE mess of the internals in the process. She also tends to get mightily pissed off when I try in my own ineffectual & obviously incompetent way to demonstrate the correct method of changing bags.
As a result, I usually have about 3 vacs on the go at any one time, with at least one in pieces being cleaned and rebuilt. I personally like Miele vacs, as they're relatively easy & straightforward to strip down, clean & rebuild in comparison to many other more "disposable" varieties.
As for power heads, I'm not so sure. Probably excellent in fully carpeted households with pets etc., but not so successful on hard timber, parquet &/or vinyl floors in my opinion. I've only ever used turbo heads myself, but the principle is similar. Having a house full of 3 long haired women, I've found it necessary to continually cut the accumulated hairs from the powered roller to maintain peak efficiency. It still tends to clog up, however, as the hair winds its way into not only the beater's brushes, but the bearings as well, which requires a more rigorous stripdown & cleaning regime.
I'm sure it's just a devious feminist plot that my wife adopts to avoid the odious task of doing the vacuuming! They say love is blind, don't they...
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Post by reflector on Nov 6, 2016 22:17:09 GMT -5
The hoses, lids, and everying else eventually goes on the Miele. We had an Electrolux when I was a kiddie, and the thing did not suck much, but it worked forever. Nilfisk is sold here, I'll check on a sebo . I'd recommend keeping the option of buying it from a vacuum collector in mind. One of my Sebos came in pristine condition (A 370 Comfort) from a collector. Otherwise the other two I own (A white C3.1 and a black X4) I restored. That's another option I'd explore with the Miele but if something's gone with the motor to the point it'd melt the vents, the parts and time spent repairing it would be a bit painful. That Electrolux would probably have more suction and airflow than the current EU Post Military-Grade-Assault-Vacuum-Thoughtcrime-Motor Ban vacuum options. Thankfully that hasn't affected the global vac uum market yet. Video below if you need some evidence:
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Post by reflector on Nov 6, 2016 22:27:19 GMT -5
My wife is murder on vacs. For some bizarre reason, she won't/can't fully lock the bags in place in their lugs, meaning that much of the dust bypasses the bag altogether, going straight though the motor filter & motor before lodging & quickly clogging & blowing out the HEPA filter outlet. Making a HUGE mess of the internals in the process. She also tends to get mightily pissed off when I try in my own ineffectual & obviously incompetent way to demonstrate the correct method of changing bags. As a result, I usually have about 3 vacs on the go at any one time, with at least one in pieces being cleaned and rebuilt. I personally like Miele vacs, as they're relatively easy & straightforward to strip down, clean & rebuild in comparison to many other more "disposable" varieties. As for power heads, I'm not so sure. Probably excellent in fully carpeted households with pets etc., but not so successful on hard timber, parquet &/or vinyl floors in my opinion. I've only ever used turbo heads myself, but the principle is similar. Having a house full of 3 long haired women, I've found it necessary to continually cut the accumulated hairs from the powered roller to maintain peak efficiency. It still tends to clog up, however, as the hair winds its way into not only the beater's brushes, but the bearings as well, which requires a more rigorous stripdown & cleaning regime. I'm sure it's just a devious feminist plot that my wife adopts to avoid the odious task of doing the vacuuming! They say love is blind, don't they... Ouch, maybe a bagless vacuum replacing the existing bagged vacuums as they get clogged would possibly convince her towards treating the Mieles right... I thought the Mieles had a pre filter before the motor. Regarding the powerhead I think that might be an American thing so that might be a bad recommendation for holmz unless he has carpeting as well. Usually to deal with long hair collection in the roller I pass over any suspect areas with a suction only head with the lint collection strips to intercept them. Works well and I haven't had to clean the brushrolls for a while. Might want to consider that option of a sudden bagless replacement with the Mieles hidden somewhere... The more annoyingly high pitched and loud the replacements... Just a suggestion on a subtle form of gentle persuasion.
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Post by holmz on Nov 7, 2016 3:22:45 GMT -5
... I'm sure it's just a devious feminist plot that my wife adopts to avoid the odious task of doing the vacuuming! They say love is blind, don't they... Ouch, maybe a bagless vacuum replacing the existing bagged vacuums as they get clogged would possibly convince her towards treating the Mieles right... I thought the Mieles had a pre filter before the motor. Regarding the powerhead I think that might be an American thing so that might be a bad recommendation for holmz unless he has carpeting as well. Usually to deal with long hair collection in the roller I pass over any suspect areas with a suction only head with the lint collection strips to intercept them. Works well and I haven't had to clean the brushrolls for a while. Might want to consider that option of a sudden bagless replacement with the Mieles hidden somewhere... The more annoyingly high pitched and loud the replacements... Just a suggestion on a subtle form of gentle persuasion.
I forgot about the knife work almost weekly on the turbo to get the hairs removed. Occasionally requiring more of a disassembly. 1/2 the joint is carpeted, and have is epoxied. The Vac is a 230v, and we use the turbo head. The Miele was a dog-n-cat model... All 10 lives have been used up.
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Post by huntsgemein on Nov 7, 2016 20:42:05 GMT -5
Miele vacs (as do most others, I'm sure) have motor pre-filters, yes. My oldest vacs (70's vintage S240i) have a fine motor filter, coarse outlet filter. The more modern ones have the 2 filters transposed, which actually makes much more sense.
Domestic vacs cool the motor with "dirty" air exhausted through the bag. Ergo, if a bag or filter becomes clogged, there's no cooling! Its therefore better to have a coarser motor filter to remove the larger more abrasive grit whilst allowing the passage of at least some (albeit dusty) air for cooling purposes. Quality commercial vacs have bypass cooling independent of bag or filter condition, or even total blockage.
Another vac? Bugger me. 2 old & 2 newer Mieles, all (currently) going & serviceable, plus an old SR5e & CT22 Festo vacs SHOULD be sufficient! 1 upstairs, 2 down & a domestic & commercial vac down at the shack too. Actually a daughter bought one of those "robot" vacs, which is OK for visible dust etc, but doesn't do a proper clean of course. Any more vacs and.... it'd probably be less expensive to acquire another wife!
What is it with women? Talk about dbl. standards! All bottles in the bathroom: shampoo, cleaners, diswashing liquid, jif etc. etc. ALL have their tops left open. What's that all about? Is it a female thing? Thankfully none of the kids have acquired the habit, because it always means that whenever a bottle falls, gets knocked over by the cats or if the goo around the spout dries out it can never again be sealed. EVER! Meaning that there's a constant risk of spilt goo everywhere.
As for asking for container tops to be closed properly, or even worse, demonstrating how to do it.... it's kind of like asking for one of those techniques of passion that were reserved specifically for the time BEFORE marriage which exists only in fond reminiscences these days... To do so is to inevitably be met with, at best blank refusal, and at worst yet another tirade.
But if I leave the dunny seat up, there's all hell to pay! I don't: it's just not worth the aggro, but I am at times tempted... I just go quietly around (trying to) reseal all these bottles with smashed & blocked & inevitably leaking seals, and wiping up the consequent mess. The things we do for love...
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Post by holmz on Nov 7, 2016 21:18:34 GMT -5
It is rather scenic to use the outdoors as a urinal. But even I like to get some of the dirt off the floor if the house.
What Sayers thou? Another Meile, a Nilfisk, or use a shop vac? And if the latter a midi, mini, or metabo or starmix?
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Post by huntsgemein on Nov 8, 2016 3:03:21 GMT -5
All your accessories; wands, hoses, nozzles, floorheads etc. will fit a new Miele, but maybe a new power tool extractor (Metabo 50M) might be both useful & versatile too. Bit of a pain to drag around the house behind you, 'though. That's where the little'uns are in their element: they won't damage the furniture from banging into corners etc like the big ones do.
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Post by holmz on Nov 8, 2016 20:30:55 GMT -5
All your accessories; wands, hoses, nozzles, floorheads etc. will fit a new Miele, but maybe a new power tool extractor (Metabo 50M) might be both useful & versatile too. Bit of a pain to drag around the house behind you, 'though. That's where the little'uns are in their element: they won't damage the furniture from banging into corners etc like the big ones do. Correct... I had to drag around the CT26 a few minutes ago. Also the CT26 is great for sanding where one has it on for an hour or two at a time. But suction? It does not suck too hard and I have to go over the same area twice or more for it to pick up the crap. I can foresee a tirade if I got similar, so I will order another Miele or Nilfisk today
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