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Post by kraftt on Apr 14, 2018 17:28:29 GMT -5
Cali, thank you I like this. I'd forgotten all about pvc snap clamps. (think I'll also pick some of for edges of worktops to replace the corner bead I currently use. The bead requires two flat head screws but the snap clamp will just push on - even better)On occasion I've sealed bags back up using hot glue when it's only wood chips etc, knew I could fabricate something but was always concerned it might fail while vac'ing up something nasty. The reviews on these are positive so that gives confidence. I just ordered one. This will be the first from them. I've been using something similar to this. Using a 10" dowel. Oh I think that's slick, the ubiquitous binder clips had crossed my mind but using flexible tube had not. The snap clamp is going to make emptying the bag so easy, no excuse to lug around a heavy vac. ( btw- nice touch with the green binders for fest, wouldn't expect anything less from you. )
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Post by calidecks on Apr 14, 2018 17:48:52 GMT -5
I just ordered one. This will be the first from them. I've been using something similar to this. Using a 10" dowel. Oh I think that's slick, the ubiquitous binder clips had crossed my mind but using flexible tube had not. The snap clamp is going to make emptying the bag so easy, no excuse to lug around a heavy vac. ( btw- nice touch with the green binders for fest, wouldn't expect anything less from you. ) I pulled that pic off the net. Mine are blue. :laughing:
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Apr 14, 2018 17:49:45 GMT -5
The reuse of fleece bags may work ok with wood chips, but when extracting very fine dust the debris will ultimately saturate the pores of the bag, reducing performance. When extracting drywall dust and/or cement dust, I've found that the bag pores become saturated with dust when the bag is roughly 1/2 full. Emptying the bag doesn't improve performance.
I totally get that this is a decent solution for extracting wood chips, but I urge caution when dealing with ultra-fine or toxic dust.
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Post by calidecks on Apr 14, 2018 17:52:29 GMT -5
The reuse of fleece bags may work ok with wood chips, but when extracting very fine dust the debris will ultimately saturate the pores of the bag, reducing performance. When extracting drywall dust and/or cement dust, I've found that the bag pores become saturated with dust when the bag is roughly 1/2 full. Emptying the bag doesn't improve performance. I totally get that this is a decent solution for extracting wood chips, but I urge caution when dealing with ultra-fine or toxic dust. Works great for composite. It's like confetti. I've been reusing those bags for years can't seem to tell any difference. Even with wood. If I'm vacuuming fine dust I'll use the Auto-clean vac.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 14, 2018 17:52:51 GMT -5
I'll just add that since those bag closures are intended for polyurethane sheet and our fleece bags are possibly thicker there is the option of ordering snap clamps separately and then finding a appropriate sized tube to snap over. LINK1
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Post by calidecks on Apr 14, 2018 17:54:36 GMT -5
I'll just add that since those bag closures are intended for polyurethane sheet and our fleece bags are possibly thicker there is the option of ordering snap clamps separately and then finding a appropriate sized tube to snap over. LINK1
LINK2I thought about that. My thoughts were an undersized dowel could replace the inner rod.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 14, 2018 18:09:38 GMT -5
I'll just add that since those bag closures are intended for polyurethane sheet and our fleece bags are possibly thicker there is the option of ordering snap clamps separately and then finding a appropriate sized tube to snap over. LINK1
LINK2I thought about that. My thoughts were an undersized dowel could replace the inner rod. Absolutely. Though the first link has sizes ranging from ½" to 1-¼" so I might just measure what 4 layers of my brand bag pinches down to see if i have something already that is the right combo. I think I might like to use the smaller ½" with a fiberglass rod or a dowel as you suggest. I guess there's no need to slit the entire end of a bag either, half would do the trick.
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Post by yetihunter on Apr 14, 2018 21:42:29 GMT -5
Interesting! Is there any better vac on the market right now as the starmix 1635? Was thinking of one of the latest festool vacs for cordless use but now thinking about it, I may prefer a more rugged and efficient vac. In need of a better vac (mabey two) since my ct mini with homemade dust deputy is at it's limits. Cheers, fred Allegedly, the latest Hilti models are the cock of the walk. I just use Festool because that's the bags I can pick up at ten locations near me.
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Post by calidecks on Apr 15, 2018 0:24:26 GMT -5
Interesting! Is there any better vac on the market right now as the starmix 1635? Was thinking of one of the latest festool vacs for cordless use but now thinking about it, I may prefer a more rugged and efficient vac. In need of a better vac (mabey two) since my ct mini with homemade dust deputy is at it's limits. Cheers, fred Allegedly, the latest Hilti models are the cock of the walk. I just use Festool because that's the bags I can pick up at ten locations near me. I just searched Hilti. They seem very well made and powerful. However, I couldn't find the Decibels rating.
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Post by yetihunter on Apr 15, 2018 5:41:50 GMT -5
Hilti claims 71 dB. Dependent on speed setting, Festool claims 62-71 dB on the CT36.
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Apr 15, 2018 8:22:18 GMT -5
The HILTI VC-150 vacs are impressive. They are VERY similar in form and function to the Attix 33/44. Like all HILTI Tools they are intended for heavy commercial and industrial use. The front casters are rubber lined and double locking (like the Attix 33/44), and the filter is accessible from the rear without removing the motor (like the Attix 33/44). Reasonably quiet, and very robust knobs, handles, and latches. 150cfm-class suction like the Attix 33/44.
The downside to the HILTI vacs is that you’re limited to buying the unit and accessories from a HILTI service center (I’m sure they will ship to you if necessary), and the hose (36mm) has a hard tapered nozzle end that is optimized for HILTI tools, though you can use other standard anti static hoses with 50mm cuffs. There is no Systainer/L-BOXX docking station.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 15, 2018 10:27:37 GMT -5
To me the thing with Hilti is to make it all cost effective they really expect you to buy in volume. That's often consumables. Everyone can relate to their foam & foam guns. Buy a case of foam and price is reasonable plus gun is included. Buy only one can of foam or only a replacement gun & it’s not cost effective, blah blah. (though I still buy them anyways once I learned how to make guns last). I’ve had my eye on their 150 vac for a while but the cost is almost double the Milwaukee/Nilfisk. Informal reviews put it at the top, but is it double the performance? I think a missing component of these tests is the specific task & how well your tool promotes extraction, i.e. if your chop saw’s collection is terrible a great vac only improves it so much, etc. Also at 12:48 in the video there's a chart showing clean bag vs dirty bag performance and Fest & Makita do a bit better than the Hilti with dirty bags. ( Their wet drilling vac is now designed to hold a hilti box but they had to do that for the accessories. )
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Apr 15, 2018 11:37:29 GMT -5
To me the thing with Hilti is to make it all cost effective they really expect you to buy in volume. That's often consumables. Everyone can relate to their foam & foam guns. Buy a case of foam and price is reasonable plus gun is included. Buy only one can of foam or only a replacement gun & it’s not cost effective, blah blah. (though I still buy them anyways once I learned how to make guns last). I’ve had my eye on their 150 vac for a while but the cost is almost double the Milwaukee/Nilfisk. Informal reviews put it at the top, but is it double the performance? I think a missing component of these tests is the specific task & how well your tool promotes extraction, i.e. if your chop saw’s collection is terrible a great vac only improves it so much, etc. Also at 12:48 in the video there's a chart showing clean bag vs dirty bag performance and Fest & Makita do a bit better than the Hilti with dirty bags. ( Their wet drilling vac is now designed to hold a hilti box but they had to do that for the accessories. ) Yeah the HILTI vacs have an accessory "platform" that has ridges that correspond to their tool cases, but it's not a positive connection, and requires you flip up a bar that passes through the case handles. I have an account with HILTI, but since my company is so small I really don't get much of a discount. It's funny looking at their pricing, you DO get volume pricing but sometimes you have to buy by the pallet to get much of a break. Some of their packages are amazing in terms of the quantities of tool shipped on a single SKU. The HILTI stuff does seem to top out the category in terms of performance, but it's definitely a case-by-case basis of whether the vac is a good value for a particular user. Most of these HILTI vacs will be used on a big commercial site by guys who may or may not take very good care of it, so I think some of the price covers the extensive warranty coverage that HILTI boasts. When I bought my Attix 33 it was a close call between it and a VC-150. The Attix won for the following reasons: -- The Attix sells with a hose better suited to my needs -- The Attix has a Systainer/L-BOXX docking station as an accessory -- The Attix has an available Long Life bag -- The Attix fleece bags are less expensive The primary advantage that the VC-150 holds is that I live near a HILTI service center, so if there was ever an issue with the vac it's a quick trip to the service center, whereas I may end up having to perform repairs on the Nilfisk myself. Luckily, Nilfisk publishes great exploded drawings and the tool seems pretty plug-and-play with the components.
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Post by yetihunter on Apr 15, 2018 18:56:21 GMT -5
If I was buying now, and not surrounded by Festool dealers, I'd flip a coin between the latest Nilfisk and latest Starmix that I could get my hands on and be done with it. In the grand scheme of things, it's their house, the others just pay rent. Actually, I'd go with Nilfisk because Starmix is the dumbest name ever. :0
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Post by fredgab on Apr 16, 2018 9:09:51 GMT -5
Hmm seriously thinking about hitting the button for the attix 44, way easier to get than the starmix here in switzerland. Can't figure if i should get the systainer dock as it will stay in the shop...
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