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Post by joinercp on Feb 22, 2014 16:12:52 GMT -5
1. The domino df700 has been a fine purchase, we can knock out external doors, frames and screens accurately with little setup time required. 2. Mirka sander and vacuum, we moved from festool sanders after advice from a local kitchen door manufacturer and it was sound advice. Like mafell in saws I believe Mirka are the best palm sanders that money can buy. 3. Homag Bof211
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Post by jonathan on Feb 22, 2014 17:15:19 GMT -5
Another vote for Mirka here. I've been using a Deros for the past month. Very light weight and excellent dust extraction. The only issue is there's still a lot of vibration, especially at the highest setting. I always tune it down a bit.
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Post by 7 on Feb 23, 2014 1:01:22 GMT -5
Another vote for Mirka here. I've been using a Deros for the past month. Very light weight and excellent dust extraction. The only issue is there's still a lot of vibration, especially at the highest setting. I always tune it down a bit. Have you used the Ceros also or just the Deros? I don't notice any vibration with the Ceros, especially smooth at the highest speed. I don't think the Deros is available in North America, anyone know for sure?
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Post by jonathan on Feb 23, 2014 3:11:09 GMT -5
Sorry 7, just the Deros.
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Post by jalvis on Feb 23, 2014 12:17:32 GMT -5
Been looking at the Mirka for some time but decided to transition to pneumatic instead. I will still keep my Festool sanders for onsite work but I find that the majority of my sanding is in the shop. More and more of my machines require pneumatics and hoping to add pneumatic clamping for the sliding table saw and shaper.
There are several companies that sale pneumatic sanders with dust collection ports so you can connect the Vac and theres no need for a downdraft table. Another major plus is I can get high end sanders for around $100 and will last longer then any electric version.
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Post by 7 on Feb 23, 2014 12:40:50 GMT -5
Been looking at the Mirka for some time but decided to transition to pneumatic instead. I will still keep my Festool sanders for onsite work but I find that the majority of my sanding is in the shop. More and more of my machines require pneumatics and hoping to add pneumatic clamping for the sliding table saw and shaper. There are several companies that sale pneumatic sanders with dust collection ports so you can connect the Vac and theres no need for a downdraft table. Another major plus is I can get high end sanders for around $100 and will last longer then any electric version. One other consideration is the power draw. I have a friend that has a fully set up cabinet/ furniture shop that made that mentioned to me the other day that he wants to get a couple mirka sanders because his enormous expensive compressor still runs a lot when sanding which is both wear & tear on the compressor and a decent amount of power to run the compressor. My cousin is another that has a large production shop, produces quite a few kitchens each month that also uses electric sanders. He had an R0125 & a RO150 that have just recently quit on him (after about 10 years in a production shop using them day in day out- very good service life I would say) and replaced them with two of the 5" Mirka Ceros sanders. The ceros performs very much like an air sander. Almost impossible to bog down even with body weight pressing down on it because of its little DC brushless motor. Don't take my post the wrong way, only intended as information based on what others around me with big shops are doing. I have seen a lot of ways the big shops run that don't seem especially well thought out. I'm sure you have already considered that the sanders will turn the large compressor on and off a lot and use power. Getting the same or better quality sanders for 100-150 is for sure worth something. If I am not mistaken most air sanders require about 17 CFM.
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Post by garch on Feb 23, 2014 12:48:27 GMT -5
Been looking at the Mirka for some time but decided to transition to pneumatic instead. I will still keep my Festool sanders for onsite work but I find that the majority of my sanding is in the shop. More and more of my machines require pneumatics and hoping to add pneumatic clamping for the sliding table saw and shaper. There are several companies that sale pneumatic sanders with dust collection ports so you can connect the Vac and theres no need for a downdraft table. Another major plus is I can get high end sanders for around $100 and will last longer then any electric version. I agree. Recently purchased a couple of sioux sanders $99 each and use the mirka gold psa discs. We really like how light weight and maneuverable they are compared to the festool sanders. Great for finish sanding prior to staining and for sanding vinyl sealer prior to precat top coat.
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Post by jalvis on Feb 23, 2014 12:57:02 GMT -5
Those are all valid points and if I get any new all Electric sander it will be the Mirka.
The real advantage to Pneumatics is price. A well equipped shop will be running a large compressor anyway. It really depends on demand at any given point.
I know of some shops in my area who added a few all Electric sanders rather then upgrading the compressor to meet the demand. It came down to price. Most shops are using Pneumatics for multiple machines that are running simultaneously. If you have several guys sanding at the same time plus production machines with clamps going and another guy spraying finishes its a far different story than a two man shop. Another thing to keep in mind is an industrial compressor is designed to run all day and is the last machine I will be concerned about.
My goals demand a large air system for finishing, clamping, and guns. So adding a few sanders only makes sense since the investment is minimal.
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Post by 7 on Feb 23, 2014 13:08:13 GMT -5
Those are all valid points and if I get any new all Electric sander it will be the Mirka. The real advantage to Pneumatics is price. A well equipped shop will be running a large compressor anyway. It really depends on demand at any given point. I know of some shops in my area who added a few all Electric sanders rather then upgrading the compressor to meet the demand. It came down to price. Most shops are using Pneumatics for multiple machines that are running simultaneously. If you have several guys sanding at the same time plus production machines with clamps going and another guy spraying finishes its a far different story than a two man shop. Another thing to keep in mind is an industrial compressor is designed to run all day and is the last machine I will be concerned about. My goals demand a large air system for finishing, clamping, and guns. So adding a few sanders only makes sense since the investment is minimal. I'll have to ask my cousin directly why he uses electric sanders. He has pneumatic clamping on several large pieces of equipment. In line boring tools clamps, clamps for several shapers, clamp for hinge mortising tool, his spray booth, nail guns, etc. He does have 6 or 7 guys in there at any given time so maybe he just finds the sanders are taking more than their share of the air with everything going on. I am in the group you describe, wanted to try a pneumatic sander but didn't realize the cfm requirements. With my small operation it made more sense to fork it over for a couple expensive sanders than to change out the compressor.
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Post by nicholas on Mar 9, 2014 21:36:29 GMT -5
Thought I'd jump in here with something a little different. I'm a shop guy unlike most folks here and one of the most useful "tools" I have is the Pizzi glue pot
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Post by GhostFist on Mar 9, 2014 21:48:25 GMT -5
Well tell us about it.
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Post by jalvis on Mar 9, 2014 23:50:58 GMT -5
The only glue pots I've seen are the Lamello versions.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 10, 2014 0:01:56 GMT -5
For non-power tools, I like Bridge City Toolworks.
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Post by nicholas on Mar 10, 2014 9:15:38 GMT -5
That's the same idea Jalvis. The Lamello is a bit more "refined" than the Pizzi but they do the exact same job. One of the best things about the system is the ability to have nozzles custom made to any cutter profile you may have. It's easy to keep clean, the 'jug' on the side contains water which keeps the glue from clogging up the main gun and all nozzles clean up easily with water. It does take some getting used to. It doesn't meter the glue output, so you have to learn how much pressure and for how long to hold the trigger down, but after a few tries it becomes straightforward and repeatable. For a cabinetmaker or woodworker it's worth a look.
here's the video for the Pizzi version
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Post by jalvis on Mar 10, 2014 11:02:05 GMT -5
Can the glue stay in the pot between projects? Or do you need to clean the lines at the end of each day?
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