bengt
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Post by bengt on Sept 10, 2019 5:16:41 GMT -5
Actually. I feel the opposite. I would buy the ks60 over the Metabo hpt. Why. 60 degree miter in both directions and bevel past 45 and slightly larger blade. The Metabo has 2 fails. 57 degree miter and no bevel past 45.
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Post by henrun on Sept 10, 2019 12:34:11 GMT -5
Bengt, horses for courses of course. I had the Festool KS60 the first week it came out and got one from the very first batch - but handed it back within the trial period. The shadow line cut marker was not very user friendly and in effect no different from dipping the blade to the mark. It is not a bad saw at all but my sample had some wobble/vibration in it as well. I thought it was not worth the premium they were asking. I have hardly ever needed even 57 degree miter but I agree that bevel past 45 is a minus though. For odd miters it can be solved with a very simple ad hoc jig for repeated cuts and for single cuts a fence shim will suffice for me. Almost never had to bevel past 45 myself and if so a shim under the workpiece works too, with the same caveat. I also have the Festool SYM70E which I love for the simplicity and accuracy for odd angles so corners that are beyond 45 degrees bevel is taken care of. I sometimes forget I have it but whenever I find myself doing tricky angles I go "aha" when I realize I still have the SYM70E .
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Post by jozsefkozma on Sept 18, 2019 21:37:58 GMT -5
metabo htp 7 1/4 “ made in Japan $ 1245 ( plus batteries) 34 lb
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Post by traveller on Sept 24, 2019 9:56:52 GMT -5
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Post by henrun on Sept 25, 2019 1:10:30 GMT -5
metabo htp 7 1/4 “ made in Japan $ 1245 ( plus batteries) 34 lb I would choose this one over the Festool KS60 any day. Not available in Europe (as Hikoki of course) at the moment, at least not in Sweden. Metabo/Hikoki runs on both battery and corded, Festool does not. I prefer Lasers to blade shadow markers.
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Post by henrun on Sept 25, 2019 1:17:41 GMT -5
Wow, that one is really cool! Makita really took that to the next Bevel.
Looks like a "copy" of the Hitachi/Hikoki I have and with the same specs and blade size. Only they added the both side bevel.
Only advantage the similar Hikoki has left is the possibility to run battery or corded but I have to be honest I would choose dual bevel over corded considering how long the batteries last.
If this one hits Europe I will take a long hard look at it. It has BlueTooth too but it does not activate other vacs than Makita so no use for me.
Both the Hikoki and the Makita are innovative products, something both Festool and Mafell should take note of.
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Post by ohan on Sept 25, 2019 12:14:30 GMT -5
Those fences are TINY! More like lips, really, lol. I guess they really are for small trim only.
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Post by henrun on Sept 26, 2019 14:30:13 GMT -5
Ohan: yes, I used my Makita 600 for trim. It has a "fence" extension flip stop that adds a few cm. By a few I mean literally two. Looks like the 610 has the same. It works well enough for the intended use but for standing trim it is not as good. I reckon they figure it is to be used for small trim on the flat.
For studs within the specs of the machine it is not a problem at all since the studs/thicker wood supports well against the lip.
The Hikoki has a better fence and possibly a better laser adjuster. I am very much enjoying the Hikoki but I hope the Makita 610 finds its way to Europe. Dual bevel mini slider with laser led AND bluetooth? Class leader in this (tiny) segment for sure!
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Post by ohan on Sept 26, 2019 22:23:07 GMT -5
I want one of these just to haul my Mini Mitre Saws around
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Post by traveller on Sept 27, 2019 5:14:46 GMT -5
Hello Henrun, please watch the video. I had expected a little more precision;-)
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Post by henrun on Sept 27, 2019 13:43:21 GMT -5
That was interesting, a very thorough review and not sugar coating nor bashing it unnecessarily. Is the Metabo HPT made in the US or in Japan? I had also expected a little more precision. Love the rack and pinion angle adjustment, was expecting less lateral flex on the saw unit. My little guy also flexes a little laterally but it isn't an issue if you push it straight through the cut.
I will check if that guy has done any more mitre saw reviews.
My little Hitachi 165mm slide mitre has done me proud so far. Very good quality but it isn't perfect either, it is just the best battery powered one I can get my hands on at the moment. It would be very interesting to pit the new Makita 610 against it. All else being fairly equal Makita usually get the Japanese made mitre saws right.
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Post by kraftt on Sept 27, 2019 20:16:35 GMT -5
That was an excellent video but at 2:20 (smaller belt removal/arbor) I wondered two things:
First - though the two screws only need to secure the bearing/arbor two-part casing in the sleeve (since the bearing sleeve is doing the holding) I wasn't impressed that - only two small ears & screws are responsible for holding the alignment between the two halves.
Second - though film is sped up upon replacement of this bearing/arbor part I think it would have been better to tap the bearing home before he tightened up the screws, not after (pause video), and I'm curious if he couldn't have induced some of his blade concerns by doing this? Or rather - perhaps he should have cut first and disassembled later (if editing didn't alter chronology of events).
Disappointed as I am, I agree that sometimes we have to pay a lot more just to get that little bit more.
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Post by jozsefkozma on Sept 29, 2019 9:17:16 GMT -5
according to Acme tools it is made in Japan a little disappointed will probably buy it with tablesaw anyway
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Post by arvid on Sept 29, 2019 16:28:53 GMT -5
I’m hoping that’s not a common issue and more of maybe 1 in 25 that are off. Since all my trim is cut on the flat it’s not so much of an issue for me.
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bengt
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Post by bengt on Sept 29, 2019 18:33:50 GMT -5
Well I got to play around with it on Friday. A couple of cuts. It’s quiet and the motor and carriage are smooth. It s small and light. But I am sorry to say it’s a $500 saw. The build quAlity is closer to the current crap 10”scms than the original 8” scms. Upper fences not flush nor straight. Center Turret tires is lower than wings and just the overall feel is a $500 saw. On top of that it’s retro in all the wrong ways, max 57 degree miter not 60, no bevel past 45, laser that disappears when blade is lowered and no shadow line. It’s a miss. I recommend to Metabo hpt move production to China sell a ton at $500 and try again. If you pay $1250 for this saw you are a fool it’s not a $1250 tool period. That’s a fact. Anybody saying otherwise is blind or a paid shrill.
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