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Post by henrun on Apr 4, 2019 16:57:05 GMT -5
Will check tomorrow or on Saturday. Will be picked up at 06:30 and I am not sure I have time to check before I leave but if I can, I will.
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Post by henrun on Apr 4, 2019 17:31:12 GMT -5
Enjoy!
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Post by kraftt on Apr 4, 2019 19:03:44 GMT -5
ha, I remember watching this and her little walk around the table cracked me up. I read once that in Japan they advertise golf clubs to men using female pros since there isn’t quite the same ego correlation and as a result the men figure that if the women can get the distance & results from the club they will do even better with it.
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Post by henrun on Apr 5, 2019 9:44:40 GMT -5
Krafft: on the mitre there is movement about two degrees past the 45 degree mitre mark. There are no markings there but it swings past and locks via the front locking screw. On the 45 degree bevel there is a hard stop which is adjustable. It stops firm at 45 degrees on both sides. Both side stops are adjustable but look like the set hex screws are possibly loc-tited in place.
The main advantages of the 3607 saw will be both better cut capacity as well as double bevel. The penalty will be weight.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 5, 2019 15:29:51 GMT -5
Glad to hear there is miter adjustment past 45º, even if no detents, that helps. I'm very much on the fence about the 3607 because of weight (15.5kg / 34 lbs) and also how far the handle sticks out. Small is small and light is light, my whole reason for wanting a highly portable trim centric unit. I took note of the photo you posted with the 3606 & the impact side by side. 3607 manual
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Post by henrun on Apr 6, 2019 12:39:52 GMT -5
The 3606 is very portable and has a very small footprint. Less than 10kg is nice of course... Considering how little I use mitre saws - and almost always for smaller size studs and trim I am very happy with the purchase. I am itching to get working with it since it is my first 36V saw and considering the thin kerf it should have plenty of grunt in that small package.
I am considering ordering a 3607 for the workshop eventually - I could then pick and choose depending on the task. This would be the expensive route, maybe a project in the near future will help sponsor that... What I like about the 3607 is the dual bevel and though I was hoping at 12-13kg (like some other offerings) I guess the double bevel adds a little. 15.5kg is "ok" and if the saw is as well built as the smaller sibling I can see where that extra weight went.
The 3610 which is due shortly over here is of no interest to me - though it could very well end up being a great first fix, jobsite or decking saw. It will be cheaper than the 3607 but I guess the country of manufacture will reflect that too.
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Post by arvid on Apr 6, 2019 13:19:33 GMT -5
The 3606 is very portable and has a very small footprint. Less than 10kg is nice of course... Considering how little I use mitre saws - and almost always for smaller size studs and trim I am very happy with the purchase. I am itching to get working with it since it is my first 36V saw and considering the thin kerf it should have plenty of grunt in that small package. I am considering ordering a 3607 for the workshop eventually - I could then pick and choose depending on the task. This would be the expensive route, maybe a project in the near future will help sponsor that... What I like about the 3607 is the dual bevel and though I was hoping at 12-13kg (like some other offerings) I guess the double bevel adds a little. 15.5kg is "ok" and if the saw is as well built as the smaller sibling I can see where that extra weight went. The 3610 which is due shortly over here is of no interest to me - though it could very well end up being a great first fix, jobsite or decking saw. It will be cheaper than the 3607 but I guess the country of manufacture will reflect that too. The 3610 is available here in the states with the metabo label. It is junk. I’ve had a play with it at the local home center.
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Post by henrun on Apr 7, 2019 1:39:21 GMT -5
arvid: that's what I figured. I got sort of the same info from a former Hitachi rep who tried it. He said it was "ok" (no enthusiasm) and that the laser arrangement was flimsy. Powerwise it was really good though. Might sell well for decking and first fix with the adapter. As soon as any other brand makes that kind of adapter they will sell a lot less... I figured out what to expect when I bought the 8" chinese made Hitachi last year (CFS8?) as a cheap on the spot replacement for a mitre that burned up unexpectedly (not a Kapex - they are expected to burn out ). It is very rickety - but in its defense it does cut straight and is accurate. Just hate using it. The Japanese made mitre saws are on a another level. No rough edges and solid materials, smooth action. Sure there are some plastic parts here and there but that is unavoidable. Even the plastic feels better though. I looked at the locking mechanism for the bevel on the 3606 when I got it - very well made and all metal materials are finished off well. Too bad that Hikoki and Metabo HPT have gone the cheap route with some machines. Depending on what you are after you might get a poor impression of the brand if your entry machine is substandard. Or if you bought one of the well made ones and want to expand the line up and stumble across "duds" along the way. Hitachi is a brand that has grown on me a bit, they have been tremendous value for money with very good performance and very few bad machines in the line up. Now with KKR/Hikoki I hope they pick up the pace for the market and make some innovative gear - or at least get a track saw going and while they are at it get that Metabo quick change chuck system and release a killa drillah on the market for all to enjoy.
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Post by ohan on Apr 12, 2019 13:48:59 GMT -5
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Post by henrun on Apr 13, 2019 13:25:03 GMT -5
Ok - thanks! That is clever. Though the saw is probably somewhat limited for roofing, at least it is no beam-churner. I have yet to put the little one to good use. Moving into a new workshop and will have to do everything from scratch. We are officially in on Monday but did get to pre install and touch up the premises beforehand. Just installed locks today and will start shipping out gear tomorrow and the Hikoki will have a place in there for sure. Exciting times - my first very own large workshop!
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Post by ohan on Apr 13, 2019 16:59:39 GMT -5
Perhaps it’s useful to someone doing ceiling trim? 🤷🏽♂️
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Post by henrun on Apr 15, 2019 23:30:08 GMT -5
Ohan; yes, I would think so. Slider is capable of large enough trim so I would say it is a great trim saw. Lacking dual bevel is a slight minus but it is manageable.
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Post by henrun on Apr 23, 2019 15:20:17 GMT -5
Ok, I have now used the saw for a few hours. A great little companion but not without quirks. Laser is off and not visible when lowering the blade. Might work itself out once I have adjusted the laser. So for now I have run the unit without the laser. Cut quality is great with the blade. Power is more than adequate. It is stronger than the little Makita for sure though the Makita is not bad. Safety trigger is a little bit rough. Might run it in - or I might disable it further on. Machine is fairly quiet - which is nice. Led lamp is very flexible and useful. Strong light. Slider is limited but does it's job. Nice smooth action in the slide. Since the slide action is so "short" it is easy to forget it actually slides. I automatically used it like the little Makita which resulted in kick back pretty early on - since the machine is so nimble the kick back was manageable but I learnt quick to use it like a sliding mitre saw. For thin pieces I lock down the slider. Mitre scale is only legible on the right side as the left side has those roofing scales. This is a minus for me but not a deal breaker. Overall a very nice saw and a great buy, feels like a quality saw. I was stupid enough to run a single piece of aluminium trim and one tooth caught a rim on the trim causng kick back and one tooth got bent so I lost one tooth on the 60T blade. After bending it straight the saw cuts fairly smooth again in wood but I kick myself for not ordering spare blades with the saw. Before the mishap it cut like a champ. Now, well, it cuts ok. The Makita 64T blade is very good and fairly cheap - plus it is readily available over here. I would have liked to compare the longevity of the blade though. My colleague was pretty impressed by the machine. It is a keeper for sure!
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Post by henrun on Apr 23, 2019 15:29:08 GMT -5
Dust port is standard Hitachi/Hikoki 50mm rubber port with clamping screw. It is not included with the saw which is a pity. Dust collection with a vac is very good. The Dustbag is ok, but not more than that.
Need to see about that laser adjustment. I would be surprised if it was bad as all the Hitachi lasers I have tried have been accurate.
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Post by henrun on Apr 23, 2019 15:33:07 GMT -5
As a side note I did try the large 10" 36V Hikoki mitre saw in store.
Well, it is better than I thought. Lots of plastic and not Japanese grade plastic but apart from that it has some nice features.
Dual bevel with good range:
95mm stud clears the motor housing (barely)
Front bevel lock - now this is nice!
Laser was WAY off and all over the place. There are two dials for tuning it in. The store owner gave up on the adjustment and thought it was crap. I gave it a good three minutes and after dialing it in (very fiddly at first) I have to say I ended up with the single most accurate laser dial in I have seen - I could dial in a glimmer/laser sheen on the very edge of the carbide teeth and the store owner went from disappointed to thoroughly impressed.
Some thought has gone into this machine and though it lacks the apparent build quality of the larger Bosch and Makita saws I think it has some things going for it. Especially with the ac adapter which is due in June over here.
It is not my kind of saw though.
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